Biff Starbuck
Critical Thinker
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- Jan 28, 2007
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I agree the claim of the use of FLIR being "illegal" shows a bit of a misunderstanding. If the court throws out evidence because the search was considered to have been on the basis of insufficient probable cause, that does not mean the cops "broke" the law. Courts can dismiss charges based on case law or interpretation of the laws and constitution. That is different than a determination the police broke a law created by the legislature, such as trespassing or perjury. The penalty for improperly obtaining evidence is throwing out the evidence and the "fruit of the poisoned tree." Manufacturing evidence would risk numerous criminal violations for fraud, tampering with evidence, perjury, abuse of authority, official oppression, and similar offenses.
As you guys have already pointed out, the key issue in this case has not come out. Kopbusters claims to have set up their sting so as to necessitate the police to lie on an affidavit or "illegally" use FLIR as the basis of a search warrant. In their allegations, Kopbusters are assuming they set up their test correctly to have the house only searched if the cops broke the law. However, hopefully most readers of JREF will be the types who want proof and not assumption. It is entirely possible the officers did use FLIR in their search warrant application, and it was approved by a prosecutor and judge unfamiliar with prior decisions. It is also possible the officers searched for some other reason. For example, a tip from a neighbor who saw suspicious activity.
If the officers obtained a search warrant in good faith, they will be well protected from criminal and even civil liability. The executive branch drafts it, and the legislative branch approves it. The courts are supposed to decide if the search is reasonable or not. This protects citizens from unreasonable searches and seizures, and protects cops and prosecutors who operate within the rules of the system.
On the other hand, if the officers lied on the application for a warrant, they could be in big trouble. The problem would be if they fabricated allegations or facts. Merely omitting the fact they used FLIR to find the house should not be illegal. Officers are not required to put all of their evidence in a search warrant application. Very often they do not, because normally a copy of the warrant and affidavit are given to the defendant or left at the location. Cops don't want to reveal too many of their witnesses, facts, or techniques. If the cops used FLIR, but then showed enough other evidence to show probable cause to search the house, not including the FLIR, the warrant would probably stand. For example, cops could use FLIR, and then drive down the pubic road in front of the house and see marijuana plants through a window, or extra plants in the back yard. The warrant could be based on this plain view of illegal activity, not the FLIR imagery.
As you guys have already pointed out, the key issue in this case has not come out. Kopbusters claims to have set up their sting so as to necessitate the police to lie on an affidavit or "illegally" use FLIR as the basis of a search warrant. In their allegations, Kopbusters are assuming they set up their test correctly to have the house only searched if the cops broke the law. However, hopefully most readers of JREF will be the types who want proof and not assumption. It is entirely possible the officers did use FLIR in their search warrant application, and it was approved by a prosecutor and judge unfamiliar with prior decisions. It is also possible the officers searched for some other reason. For example, a tip from a neighbor who saw suspicious activity.
If the officers obtained a search warrant in good faith, they will be well protected from criminal and even civil liability. The executive branch drafts it, and the legislative branch approves it. The courts are supposed to decide if the search is reasonable or not. This protects citizens from unreasonable searches and seizures, and protects cops and prosecutors who operate within the rules of the system.
On the other hand, if the officers lied on the application for a warrant, they could be in big trouble. The problem would be if they fabricated allegations or facts. Merely omitting the fact they used FLIR to find the house should not be illegal. Officers are not required to put all of their evidence in a search warrant application. Very often they do not, because normally a copy of the warrant and affidavit are given to the defendant or left at the location. Cops don't want to reveal too many of their witnesses, facts, or techniques. If the cops used FLIR, but then showed enough other evidence to show probable cause to search the house, not including the FLIR, the warrant would probably stand. For example, cops could use FLIR, and then drive down the pubic road in front of the house and see marijuana plants through a window, or extra plants in the back yard. The warrant could be based on this plain view of illegal activity, not the FLIR imagery.