Kevin Trudeau: Time To Fight Back

You could try writing to the library with some choice quotes about the reality of Trudeau's claims, and some links to, say, his Wikipedia entry, as it's not obviously 'anti', but is truthful.

Would you consider not posting in large font? It makes your post very hard to read as it's so 'in your face', it would be a shame for a good post to go unread because of something like that :)

Thank you very much tkingdoll,your advice is greatly appreciated.

I apologize for my unwarranted use of a large font, I am a new postee to the JREF Forum and being such I am not fully aware of the etiquette.:D
 
I seriously doubt KT is going to sue anybody. The last thing he wants is to be in court... about anything! So I wouldn't worry about having lawyers sicced on you. Anyway, just stick to the facts and there's nothing he can do to shut you down anyway.

The thing is, tho, this guy doesn't care if people bash him. That's crucial to keep in mind if you're seriously interested in doing something about him. Also be aware that the FDA et al are already very aware of Mr. Trudeau.

His market is mostly off the Web anyway. He sells by infomercials, word of mouth, direct mail, and brick-and-mortar, as well as some Amazon. And unlike Kaz, he doesn't operate under the radar, and he doesn't rely on gullible people to book appearances for him in order to make his money, so the same strategy that succeeded w/ her probably won't damage him that much.

Keep in mind, too, that the bulk of his customers buy into the theory that the establishment is out to fool them. They see persecution as verification.

Nice trick, huh?

So exposing him is of limited value. That's not to say it's of no value, tho. Might help keep a few folks from falling into the trap. But as has been mentioned, anyone doing even a half-serious search on KT will find plenty of damning data already out there.
 
Yikes! :eek:

This tells us:

1) KT does have lawyers and he might not be afraid of using them. (depending)

2) His "Kevinfightsback" site has "happy" testimonials. My first thought was, maybe a couple are genuine, but lots of them could easily be faked. So...what does that do to the idea of getting REAL testimonials?


Has anyone actually READ the whole book? Is there anything in there that can be disproven? (I'm really curious now to see what it says, but I'd really hate to shell out real money for it...)
 
Has anyone actually READ the whole book? Is there anything in there that can be disproven?
Actually, that might be the most promising avenue of legal challenge to toss his butt in jail again.

The problem w/ the book even for people who buy into his theories is that the book itself is one big "teaser" advertisement. To get all the info (or so the book says) you need to get on his Web site. And, of course, that'll cost ya.

Check out this complaint at the Rip-Off Report. It pretty much sums it up. That's why I called it a "circle game" in the other thread. (I think the "rebuttal" post is a plant, btw.)

Some angry buyers are talking class action now. And if his infomercials don't accurately describe the product, he may face some time again, and a loss of revenue from the book. That would be mighty satisfyin'.
 
A New KT Scam!

Check this out: http://www.thewhistleblower.com/

KT poses as whistleblower!

It's brilliant, in an evil way. He's doing in health scams what Karl Rove has done -- with unparalleled success -- in politics: Whatever you're doing underhanded, accuse the other guy of doing it first, and come out swinging with both fists.

You want to perpetuate a health scam? Accuse the establishment of doing so. Worried you might get dragged into court by the FTC? Take them to court. Class action suit looming? File one.

thewhistleblower.com said:
As an organization, we are going to file class action law suits against the corporations and the individual people that are perpetrating this fraud against the public.
 
Thank you very much tkingdoll,your advice is greatly appreciated.

I apologize for my unwarranted use of a large font, I am a new postee to the JREF Forum and being such I am not fully aware of the etiquette.:D

Hey, no worries. Welcome to the forum!
 
Speaking of Mr. Trudeau, I happen to find myself in a bit of a dilemma.
My high school American Government A.P. class recently listened to a speaker in are high school library. As my class and I were departing, I happened to glance over towards the bookcases labeled "new books" and to my amazement and horror I saw Trudeau's horrid piece of fiction, Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About resting comfortably on the top shelf!:jaw-dropp

Since this is one of the reasons I joined this forum, I was wondering how I might go about getting this piece of garbage removed from a library I had previously held in high regard.

As much as I despise Trudeau and others like him, I'm hesitant to support censorship. Perhaps you can suggest to the librarian to order more enlightening material that encourages critical thinking, to be placed next to Trudeau, or at least a suggested reading list.
 
As much as I despise Trudeau and others like him, I'm hesitant to support censorship. Perhaps you can suggest to the librarian to order more enlightening material that encourages critical thinking, to be placed next to Trudeau, or at least a suggested reading list.
Refusing to stock books that peddle misinformation about health as part of a money-making scam -- that's not censorship, that's being responsible. Libraries can't stock everything. They must make choices. This book is highly qualified to be omitted from the stacks.
 
Refusing to stock books that peddle misinformation about health as part of a money-making scam -- that's not censorship, that's being responsible. Libraries can't stock everything. They must make choices. This book is highly qualified to be omitted from the stacks.


Good point, but don't libraries stock books, movies, etc. based on requests and, what the users will check out? I finally decided to check out this piece of crap, well, because I haven't actually read it, and am finding it hard to argue against a book I haven't read. Our local library has 20 copies, and I'm 196th on the list. I doubt the book would be removed, just because a few people point out that it's fraudulent.
 
The best URL, http://www.stopkevintrudeau.com, has been taken, but alas has not been updated. Only the main page has any decent info (four small paragraphs). Maybe the webmaster could be contacted, and this site can realize its potential.
 
Good point, but don't libraries stock books, movies, etc. based on requests and, what the users will check out? I finally decided to check out this piece of crap, well, because I haven't actually read it, and am finding it hard to argue against a book I haven't read. Our local library has 20 copies, and I'm 196th on the list. I doubt the book would be removed, just because a few people point out that it's fraudulent.

I would totally accept that except for the fact that students do not have to pay to check books out. The only reason I can think of for this blunder is that the book is realtively new. The librarian may not even know who Trudeau is.
 
I would totally accept that except for the fact that students do not have to pay to check books out. The only reason I can think of for this blunder is that the book is realtively new. The librarian may not even know who Trudeau is.

You could always "remove" it. I'm not suggesting outright theft. Check it out. Lose it, forget about it, whatever. Pay for it if you have to. I was cool with my school librarian so she let me slide on a cheap book I lost. I don't think Trudeau's book is cheap though.

Someone suggested this already. But try to get it labeled fiction instead.

Or, do what I did in highschool. On books I disagreed with I inserted my own pamphlets into them and let whoever checked it out discover them. Of course, some people would throw out the pamphlets but if you actually convinced someone to think critically they might not.

I also made up my own books and put them in the school library. Somewhere there is a second edition* of "Mrs. Norman's Enchanted Classroom". A wonderful encyclopedia of all the fantastical creatures that inhabited my Honors English class.

* I have the first edition. =P
 
As much as I despise Trudeau and others like him, I'm hesitant to support censorship. Perhaps you can suggest to the librarian to order more enlightening material that encourages critical thinking, to be placed next to Trudeau, or at least a suggested reading list.
Yeah, that's a tough one. And of course that is what Kevin is exploiting. Still, his advice hurts people. I'm willing to defend an awful lot of speech. I even went out on a limb defending some a-hole making disparaging remarks about Randi. But I won't complain if the book gets pulled.
 
If not "fiction" you could probably get them to classify it under "humor" :)

And I agree with the not-anonymous approach. The most successful and renowned anti-fraud websites are from people that say exactly who they are and post facts that will stand up in court. XENU.NET comes to mind... proving that scientologists' lawyers are not omnipotent and invincible.
 
Yikes! :eek:

This tells us:

1) KT does have lawyers and he might not be afraid of using them. (depending)

2) His "Kevinfightsback" site has "happy" testimonials. My first thought was, maybe a couple are genuine, but lots of them could easily be faked. So...what does that do to the idea of getting REAL testimonials?


Has anyone actually READ the whole book? Is there anything in there that can be disproven? (I'm really curious now to see what it says, but I'd really hate to shell out real money for it...)


First and foremost, with regards to his customers' "happy testimonies," they mean about as much to me as a festering bowl of dog snot. Testimonial evidence in and of itself amounts to nothing more than a collection of highly subjective and anecdotal experiences, based on an individual's personal beliefs and expectations. For this reason alone, in the realms of genuine scientific investigation and critical thought, they have zero reliability with regard to measuring the accuracy and veracity of Mr. Trudueu's claims ---or ANY claims, for that matter.

For example, just because one person in your neighborhood "claimed" to have seen an alien spaceship, based on his or her own personal visual experience alone (mind you, with absolutey NO video taped or any other kind of substantiating physical evidence) doesn't necessarily mean that he or she did in fact "see" an alien spaceship. And even if more people from your
neighborhood saw the same thing in the sky at the same time, the increase in numbers alone doesn't necessarily make it all the more credible. Look at how many kids believe in Santa Clause flying through the sky with his reindeer.

For further reading on this topic, check out this website:
http://www.skepdic.com/testimon.html

And secondly, as a rationally sound and logically minded critical thinker, YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW, plain and simple! Otherwise, your arguments become invalid and unsound, and fall into either the "straw man" and/or "ad hominem" fallacy categories.

Sorry for raising my voice, but I know exaclty how you feel. Try borrowing it from your local library, or if you have access to a Barnes and Noble or Border's Bookstore nearby, take a trip, buy yourself a cup of coffee and peruse through it at your leisure in the cafe section. But, of course, please don't piss your hard earned money away on this dufus.

As brutally agonizing of a colassol time waster as it was, for objectivity's sake, this is exactly what I did. Here's what I've found:

In his latest updated edition, surprisingly, he DOES indeed share some "natural cures" in his book for various ailments. Whether or not they actually do indeed work is a whole other story, but here's what cracked me up: When I turned to the "cancer" section, you want to know what he said? "If you have cancer, you need to see a qualified medical professional."

On the one hand, you've got to give him credit. This has got to be perhaps the most intelligent and responsible thing I've ever heard him say, but by the same token, does absolutely NOTHING to solidify his credibility as a "medical expert." To say something like that in a book that "claims" to have "natural cures" makes about as much sense like me writing a book on auto repair (and I have zero experience as an auto technician) that has a transmission repair section which simply states: "If you're having transmission trouble, you need to see a qualified transmission specialist."

Boy, would I be pissed to blow away $22.95 (plus 6% NJ sales tax) for some moron's book, hoping that he would share with me a natural cure for my testicular cancer, only to tell me I need to see a cancer specialist for that! Huh! The sales lady behind the counter could've told me that FOR FREE!
 
I would totally accept that except for the fact that students do not have to pay to check books out. The only reason I can think of for this blunder is that the book is realtively new. The librarian may not even know who Trudeau is.


Or worse, the librarian does know and is a fan. Scary
 
First and foremost, with regards to his customers' "happy testimonies," they mean about as much to me as a festering bowl of dog snot. Testimonial evidence in and of itself amounts to nothing more than a collection of highly subjective and anecdotal experiences, based on an individual's personal beliefs and expectations. For this reason alone, in the realms of genuine scientific investigation and critical thought, they have zero reliability with regard to measuring the accuracy and veracity of Mr. Trudueu's claims ---or ANY claims, for that matter.

As explanation for my line of reasoning: I came across the KT thread. It's obvious many here would like to do what we can to stop and expose this complete loser.

The idea of a web-site refuting him has been raised. I was trying to think of what could be put on that site that would have the most impact. It occured to me (of course) to go through the book and refute whatever is bogus in there. From a rational, scientific, "this is why it doesn't work" basis.

However, my concern with that was - the people who are really buying into his "cr@p" might not pay attention to that line of reasoning. For the same reason the deeply religious creationists don't pay attention when someone starts discussing evolution. They simply refuse to listen.

So...my next idea was to solicit from real people their stories of how they were ripped off with his material, that it doesn't work, that it may actually have harmed them or someone they care about. By sheer VOLUME, I was hoping for something that the large, influential media couldn't ignore. Give KT enough bad, bad press - maybe he'd be forced to finally give up and go away.

But yes, there's the inherent problem with real stories (testimonials). They'd also be easy to dismiss as faked, or dishonest.

So....any other ideas about how to discredit this guy?
 

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