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Kevin Ryan is famous!

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He's made it to American Loons...

Kevin Ryan is a chemist (apparently with a specialty in water testing) and 9/11-truther, whose barely internally coherent conspiracy theories blithely avoids the standards for good critical thinking and hypothesis testing.

Brave Kevin Ryan rose to fame among the truthers for his letter disputing the claim that the fires had weakened the steel, causing the World Trade Center Towers to collapse. The letter got him a place in the infamous “documentary” Loose Change (and later on the Alex Jones Show). It also, according to himself and fellow conspiracy theorists, got him fired from Underwriters Laboratories, and Ryan has of course been viewed as something of a martyr for the truther cause ever since. It will, of course, also be pretty clear to anyone who even bothers to give the documents pertaining to the case (accessible here) a cursory look that Ryan’s (and his followers’) account of what happened is pretty far away from the truth, but what did you really expect from 9/11 conspiracy theorists?

Diagnosis: A decent and very representative specimen of truther (and indeed conspiracy theories in general). It is presumably not necessary to point out that Ryan’s aptitude for critical thinking and critical assessment of evidence is sorely deficient.
 
catsmate1 said:
He's made it to American Loons...

Brave Kevin Ryan rose to fame among the truthers for his letter disputing the claim that the fires had weakened the steel, causing the World Trade Center Towers to collapse. The letter got him a place in the infamous “documentary” Loose Change (and later on the Alex Jones Show). It also, according to himself and fellow conspiracy theorists, got him fired from Underwriters Laboratories, and Ryan has of course been viewed as something of a martyr for the truther cause ever since.
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jaydeehess said:
Ryan was fired for pretending he represented UL in his letter.
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Specifically, he wrote and sent his letter on UL letterhead stationery. That'll get you fired anywhere. If he'd sent his letter as a purely private individual, with the disclaimer that he's not a materials tester, he wouldn't have been fired, for the simple reason that nobody would have paid attention to it. :D
 
Redwood said:
Specifically, he wrote and sent his letter on UL letterhead stationery. That'll get you fired anywhere. If he'd sent his letter as a purely private individual, with the disclaimer that he's not a materials tester, he wouldn't have been fired, for the simple reason that nobody would have paid attention to it. :D
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His qualifications really played no part until he pretended to represent UL. Naturally you're right, no one would know who he is (no one really does outside of conspiracy forums) if he didn't start his "truther" career with a blatant lie. :rolleyes:
 
catsmate1 said:
He's made it to American Loons...

Kevin Ryan is a chemist (apparently with a specialty in water testing) and 9/11-truther, whose barely internally coherent conspiracy theories blithely avoids the standards for good critical thinking and hypothesis testing.

Brave Kevin Ryan rose to fame among the truthers for his letter disputing the claim that the fires had weakened the steel, causing the World Trade Center Towers to collapse. The letter got him a place in the infamous “documentary” Loose Change (and later on the Alex Jones Show). It also, according to himself and fellow conspiracy theorists, got him fired from Underwriters Laboratories, and Ryan has of course been viewed as something of a martyr for the truther cause ever since. It will, of course, also be pretty clear to anyone who even bothers to give the documents pertaining to the case (accessible here) a cursory look that Ryan’s (and his followers’) account of what happened is pretty far away from the truth, but what did you really expect from 9/11 conspiracy theorists?

Diagnosis: A decent and very representative specimen of truther (and indeed conspiracy theories in general). It is presumably not necessary to point out that Ryan’s aptitude for critical thinking and critical assessment of evidence is sorely deficient.
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I didn't see Fetzer on the list. :confused:
 
LSSBB said:
I didn't see Fetzer on the list. :confused:
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Number 668. He has a quite lengthy entry.

James Henry Fetzer is an American philosopher, professor emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth, and a ******* crazy conspiracy theorist. Now, Fetzer has written plenty of intelligent stuff as well, for instance on philosophical aspects of “the Christian Right's crusade against science.” It would, however, have carried more dialectical weight if Fetzer’s own critical thinking skills had been up to date.
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It seems Fetzer is one our newest members. Look in Conspiracy Theories in the thread with his name.
 
Has anybody looked up Thomas Sullivan, the guy Truthers claim to be something of a demolition expert? He makes the claim he was an explosives loader at demolition sites, and that the WTC buildings were a CD.

I found some evidence he was an on-site demolition photographer. Nothing else.
 
Frank, maybe so, but he seemed honest enough to me. At first I had the impression that he was a CD expert, and he corrected me in an email and said he was just a worker loading explosives. He didn't claim any special expertise except to say he learned about CD just by being a curious and interested guy on the job who really liked his boss. You may have evidence that he was even less of an expert than that, but hiis claim seems rather humble for someone trying to puff up his resume.
 
frank3373 said:
Has anybody looked up Thomas Sullivan, the guy Truthers claim to be something of a demolition expert? He makes the claim he was an explosives loader at demolition sites, and that the WTC buildings were a CD.

I found some evidence he was an on-site demolition photographer. Nothing else.
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His claim that demolitions routinely use "thermite shape charges" is enough to disqualify him on that....:rolleyes:
 
Here's what I found, Frank: "Tom Sullivan worked for Controlled Demolition, Inc. for almost three years before and during 9/11 as a Site Photographer and Explosives Technician." It appears that he did both jobs, not just photographing demo sites.
 
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