Kerry Picks Edwards for VP

[Rob Lister]

True dat. No one ever made it big in politics because they'd been a trial lawyer. In spite of it, sure, but never because of it.

I think a bigger issue will be Edward's experience... a one-term senate seat isn't much of a resume these days.

Just to quibble a bit (mostly because you quibbled with your 13 e-votes over my 20), but isn't experience also one of those 'in spite of' factors? Especially as it pertains to the Vice non-job?

 

[wjousts]

Expect to hear "I'm the son of a mill worker" a lot over the next 4 months from John "Son of a Mill Worker" Edwards.

 

[varwoche]

Expect to hear "I'm the son of a mill worker" a lot over the next 4 months from John "Son of a Mill Worker" Edwards.

That and "two Americas" and "Halliburton".

 

[TillEulenspiegel]

I think by " a purely political decision" what was meant was a "topically political" choice, as in electability. The case as stated is that much of what passes for politics in America is a combination popularity/beauty contest. If the real position of the Veep is "one heartbeat" away from the presidency undoubtedly Gephardt has infinitely more gravitas the a 1 term senator.

SO the choice is a tip o' the hat to realpolitik. Chaney would make a better choice as the heartbeat position holder then Edwards if you enjoy Machiavelli, But this is not the first time reality has been sacrificed at the alter of political expediancy............Can you imagine Dan "potatoe head " Quayle as Pres? The man with the permanent 1000 yrd. stare < shudder>

 

[Jocko]

Just to quibble a bit (mostly because you quibbled with your 13 e-votes over my 20), but isn't experience also one of those 'in spite of' factors? Especially as it pertains to the Vice non-job?

Depends on how hot the "outsider" label is in any given year. I don't see that it's a big deal in '04... look at Dean, the ultimate outsider, who was shot out of the saddle almost before it began.

It's really a combined threat, IMO, when you put short experience in with an unusually youthful appearance (Edward is known for both). Gephardt has been around forever and carries a lot of old-school clout. I don't see that from Edward's loose association with the south. He's not going to deliver either Carolina, so his influence will be diffused throughout the rest of the south.

 

[Tmy]

SO the choice is a tip o' the hat to realpolitik. Chaney would make a better choice as the heartbeat position holder then Edwards

At least Edwards heartbeat is reliable!


Since when is the most talented guy tapped to be prez. Bush was a state govenor. The candidates are picked on likeabilty not ability.

 

[Jocko]

At least Edwards heartbeat is reliable!


Since when is the most talented guy tapped to be prez. Bush was a state govenor. The candidates are picked on likeabilty not ability.

Spot on, Timmy. You almost never see Presidents who were governors. Er, except Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Bush Jr....

How many senators have won the oval office in living memory, Timmy? 15 total and you'll have to go back to Nixon to find one.

Governors are executives. Senators are legislators. Going simply on job description, governors are better suited to the role. Likability matters, of course, but when you're starting behind the pack as a senator it takes a whole lot of it.

 

[Tmy]

Senators dont usually get the nod because beinga Senator means you've already alientated 1/2 the country through partisian antics.

Govs are much better cause they havent had the chance to play Federal moneyball and vote on all kinds of bills that then come back to haunt you. (Look at what theyre doing wh Kerrys record.)

Govenors are poltical Ken Dolls. You can pose them and make them into whatever you want. (they also have no balls )

 

[Furious]

Edward's lack of experience is perfect to balance an attack on Kerry's long experience in Washington, much like Cheney's experience helped Bush's perceived outsiderness in Washington when Bush's political experience was only as a one and a half term Texas governor back in 2000.

Kerry has a long voting record that can be attacked, whereas Edward can give a much more clear message since he doesn't have much of a record to be attacked with. The differing personal histories and birthplaces will have a large impact as well.

I know we aren't voting for a Vice President, but how Cheney has participated in the Bush administration makes it abundantly clear they aren't as useless as a warm bucket of spit anymore either.

While Gephardt might bring more of a political machine, I think the Democrats are pretty solidly behind Kerry already anyway, so Edward adds a lot more balance to the ticket in terms of youth and charisma, and will bring in much more of the crucial swing vote.

I'm going to cautiously say that Edward on the ticket might be the difference this election.

 

[Nasarius]

Of course, I'd like to know who it was in the Bush administration that said it. To phrase it the way you reported it, one would presume that it was the 'official' stance of the administration.

Haven't been able to find that, but I did find another piece of idiocy from the RNC:

John Kerry was against John Edwards before he was for him. But now he’s his running mate.
Who is John Edwards?
A disingenuous, unaccomplished liberal and friend to personal injury trial lawyers.
Go to www.kerrypicksedwards.com to find out more about John Edwards.

www.gop.com

They cite Kerry 'attacking' Edwards during the primaries...pssst, guys, that's how presidential primaries (for both parties!) work. You're vicious to each other until it's over, then you all get behind the candidate and sing his praises.
But hey, any shred of evidence that supports your strawman image: "A flip flopper who wants to raise taxes, is weak on national security, weak on intelligence and weak on homeland security."

 

[TillEulenspiegel]

At least Edwards heartbeat is reliable!


Since when is the most talented guy tapped to be prez. Bush was a state govenor. The candidates are picked on likeabilty not ability.

That's pretty much what I said Tmy and besides Bush represented petrodollars not prudent political philosophy. G.W.Bush......Like a rock, only dumber.

 

[Jocko]

That's pretty much what I said Tmy and besides Bush represented petrodollars not prudent political philosophy.

Wow, I had no idea that only petroluem industry emplyees had the vote these days. Funny, but I coulda sworn everyone had the chance to vote.

G.W.Bush......Like a rock, only dumber.

But look at what he ran against: Al Gore... like a rock, only duller.

 

[American]

THEY'RE HOLDING HANDS!!!!!!!!

They look like they're gonna SMOOCH!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mel]

Wow, I had no idea that only petroluem industry emplyees had the vote these days. Funny, but I coulda sworn everyone had the chance to vote.

That's what those 'felons' in Florida thought too.

 

[Jocko]

That's what those 'felons' in Florida thought too.

And those oversea servicemen from Florida as well. My strawman outnumbers yours, so let's keep on topic, mmmkay?

 

[TillEulenspiegel]

Wow, I had no idea that only petroleum industry employees had the vote these days. Funny, but I could sworn everyone had the chance to vote.



But look at what he ran against: Al Gore... like a rock, only duller.

Read the post again , Petrodollars has nothing to to with Tom Jode Jr. who drills in the sands of Texas for siht wages, , rather it represents big business.

You right there Gore is about as exciting as watching the grass grow. I would however rather have a competent no excitement kind of person in charge ( in business as well as office ) then a disingenuous liar who leads with his " faith" and follows through with the blood of the people he has sworn to protect and serve.

 

[Grammatron]

Read the post again , Petrodollars has nothing to to with Tom Jode Jr. who drills in the sands of Texas for siht wages, , rather it represents big business.

You right there Gore is about as exciting as watching the grass grow. I would however rather have a competent no excitement kind of person in charge ( in business as well as office ) then a disingenuous liar who leads with his " faith" and follows through with the blood of the people he has sworn to protect and serve.

Wait, which president are you talking about, because that describes majority at one time or another.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Re: !

I am not familiar with all politicians in the US

this is not the John Edward is it of "Crossing Over"

I notice this fellow has an "s" in his name so likely not.

Sorry to disappoint you, but yes, he is the same person.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I bet they'll marry each other! HA HA HA HA HA!! It's legal in massachusetts, and Kerrry is FROM massachusetts. Oh my god they're really going to do it I think!

Aw shucks. And after you had just moved to Massachusetts in order to propose to Kerry. Don't be too despondent, there are plenty of other men for you.

 

[Jocko]

Read the post again , Petrodollars has nothing to to with Tom Jode Jr. who drills in the sands of Texas for siht wages, , rather it represents big business.

No ◊◊◊◊, really? So I guess businesses vote. The point is still either naive, or so hopelessly misstated that I can't come to any other conclusion than you believe corporations - er, strike that, EVIL corporations - vote, and in greater numbers than the citizenry.

You right there Gore is about as exciting as watching the grass grow. I would however rather have a competent no excitement kind of person in charge ( in business as well as office ) then a disingenuous liar who leads with his " faith" and follows through with the blood of the people he has sworn to protect and serve.

You make a lot of assumptions about Gore's mad skillz. I've seen a fair amount to the contrary - so let me clarify that he's not my choice because not he's dull, simply that he doesn't reflect my priorities. That he's dull just makes it easier to make fun of him.