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Kerry Infidelity?

Some Friggin Guy said:
...the likes of Limbaugh, and Hannity (screeching hate-nazis that they are)...

Ah, the intellectual honesty of the conservative talk show host. It really warms my heart.
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Ah, the lack of Ad Hominems and demonization typical of the liberal talk show host. It really warms my heart.


:rolleyes:
 
Kodiak said:


Ah, the lack of Ad Hominems and demonization typical of the liberal talk show host. It really warms my heart.


:rolleyes:
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Hey, if the shoe fits...


Honestly, you "conservatives" should do something about Limbaugh, Hannity, and the rest of the lying right-wing media. I'm boycotting Michael Moore, now it is your turn.;)
 
Zero said:
Hey, if the shoe fits...


Honestly, you "conservatives" should do something about Limbaugh, Hannity, and the rest of the lying right-wing media. I'm boycotting Michael Moore, now it is your turn.;)
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Limbaugh is entertaining and often hits the nail on the head when discussing modern liberalism and modern socialism, but I don't consider him a news source. Right-wing pundit? Sure. Right-wing media? No way.

I don't watch or listen to Hannity, so that's a de facto boycott.

Boycotting Michael Moore is a good start. Now how about boycotting Al Franken? ;)

Want a conservative even die-hard liberals respect? Check out Walter E. Williams .

Governed by Rules, not Men
 
Al Franken is funny, and accurate, and admits when he is being a blowhard for effect. Rush Limbaugh isn't right on anything as far as I know.

Anyhoo, we're getting off the topic just a bit, huh?:p
 
Kodiak said:


What, are you afraid of the T.T.P.? :D









(Thread Topic Police)
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(No, I AM the T.T.P. at another site, so hijacking always makes me feel weird....)
 
One of the reporters that was there when Clark made his off the record comments says that Clark never said that:

TNR campaign journal

I can confirm that Wesley Clark did not say what Drudge says he said at that off-the-record conversation with reporters in Nashville one week ago.
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This is the first I have read of any of these 11 or so reporters talking about it. I wonder why any of them didn't come out and say something about this sooner?
 
TillEulenspiegel said:
It would seem then that Mr. Drudge has a credibility problem then, doesn't it?
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Is that supposed to be news? Drudge has NEVER been credible. One of his main purposes(besides self-promotion) is to get public figures to deny rumors, because for some people, a denial legitimizes the rumor.
 
Ignatius said:
One of the reporters that was there when Clark made his off the record comments says that Clark never said that:

TNR campaign journal



This is the first I have read of any of these 11 or so reporters talking about it. I wonder why any of them didn't come out and say something about this sooner?
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Hard to prove a negative.
How would you even know you were at an event where something wasn't said when the time, place of the event isn't specified?
 
subgenius said:

Hard to prove a negative.
How would you even know you were at an event where something wasn't said when the time, place of the event isn't specified?
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Well, that is true. I can imagine the reporter thinking to himself, "I don't remember him saying that, I'll check with some of the other people that were there to see if they remember it." Which is apparantly what he did.

This quote seems to say that the reporter remembers something specific that was misquoted:

Since it was off the record (sort of), I can't get into what Clark actually said (let's just say it was not his finest moment on the campaign trail), but I can report that the quote Drudge attributes to him--"Kerry will implode over an intern issue"--is not accurate. He never said that.
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A lot of articles have been written about this. You'd think that some of the reporters would have contacted the reporters that were there to clear this up or possibly Clark himself (and maybe they did try). I don't know, maybe it is just easier for them to sit down and start writing their, "If this is true, how does it affect the primary or the general election" story than to actually look into it.

(and I checked out Drudge this morning, three links to the Sun that you mentioned above about the parents. One of them at least ends with "Both Kerry and Alex have denied any affair." It is treated like an afterthought!)
 
Ignatius said:


Well, that is true. I can imagine the reporter thinking to himself, "I don't remember him saying that, I'll check with some of the other people that were there to see if they remember it." Which is apparantly what he did.

This quote seems to say that the reporter remembers something specific that was misquoted:



A lot of articles have been written about this. You'd think that some of the reporters would have contacted the reporters that were there to clear this up or possibly Clark himself (and maybe they did try). I don't know, maybe it is just easier for them to sit down and start writing their, "If this is true, how does it affect the primary or the general election" story than to actually look into it.

(and I checked out Drudge this morning, three links to the Sun that you mentioned above about the parents. One of them at least ends with "Both Kerry and Alex have denied any affair." It is treated like an afterthought!)
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If Clark said something about an intern, that "wasn't his finest moment on the campaign trail", I feel like I can make a quick guess and not be too far off. Wanna bet he made some bad semi-joke about Clinton's troubles and linked them to Kerry?

For instance, let's say someone asked him off the record what he thought could derail Kerry's campaign, and he answered "well, the only think that can stop him is an intern with a semen-stained dress", and someone decided to turn that comment into an supposed accusation...

And, of course, the media is too lazy to actually do research, and instead will treat a "what if" as a legitimate point of discussion.
 
subgenius said:
The Sludge is posting stories showing Kerry's drop in the polls vs. Bush. Surprise surprise.
http://drudgereport.com/
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Fine, be skeptical of the source (I know I am...), but does that take away from the statistical accuracy of the Rasmussen Presidential Tracking Poll cited in the article?

In other words, would you automatically reject the heliocentric theory or the law of gravity just because it was provided to you by Uri Geller or John Edward?
 
Zero said:
If Clark said something about an intern, that "wasn't his finest moment on the campaign trail", I feel like I can make a quick guess and not be too far off. Wanna bet he made some bad semi-joke about Clinton's troubles and linked them to Kerry?

For instance, let's say someone asked him off the record what he thought could derail Kerry's campaign, and he answered "well, the only think that can stop him is an intern with a semen-stained dress", and someone decided to turn that comment into an supposed accusation...
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Yeah, the same thing occured to me. Unfortunately, we will probably never know what he actually said.
 
Kodiak said:




In other words, would you automatically reject the heliocentric theory or the law of gravity just because it was provided to you by Uri Geller or John Edward?
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No, but I sure as hell wouldn't accept it from them either. ;)
 
Ignatius said:


Yeah, the same thing occured to me. Unfortunately, we will probably never know what he actually said.
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No, we won't...even though I feel like I've got the gist of it, I would never consider publishing my little game of "mind reading" and call it journalism.
 
Zero said:
No, but I sure as hell wouldn't accept it from them either. ;)
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You ;) , but if you're being truthful, then I can only respond with a :nope:

If you wouldn't accept it simply because of who was providing the information, then YOU ARE INDEED automatically rejecting possible truth or fact based solely on the provider of the data.
 
Kodiak said:


You ;) , but if you're being truthful, then I can only respond with a :nope:

If you wouldn't accept it simply because of who was providing the information, then YOU ARE INDEED automatically rejecting possible truth or fact based solely on the provider of the data.
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I don't see a problem with it...why would I accept anything solely on the word of a single person, let alone a confirmed liar? At best, I would have to reserve judgement, and see if anyone else can confirm what they say. Are you saying that independent corroboration is a bad idea?
 
Kodiak said:


You ;) , but if you're being truthful, then I can only respond with a :nope:

If you wouldn't accept it simply because of who was providing the information, then YOU ARE INDEED automatically rejecting possible truth or fact based solely on the provider of the data.
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Would I accept it just because they told me so? Hell no. I'd go out and make sure the data was legit.

In the case of Drudge, seeing as how he's got a habit of fabricating stories for the purpose of smearing Democrats, it's perfectly reasonable in this case to make sure the source really says what Drudge says it says.
 
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