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kerry campaign masterstroke

corplinx

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I was watching the weekend news. Now Kerry has gone on record as saying he wouldn't bring up the Shrubs military service. He is on the record. He acts above the fray on the issue.

Now, here is the masterstroke. He is out this weekend with this open letter to the president asking for an end to attacks on his military record. And on the stump he is talking about having his military record attacked by people who didn't serve in vietnam.

Wow. This guy is smooth. I am not sure the granmasta of spin Bill Clinton could have pulled this.

He is inventing a concerted attack on his military service in order to force the press to compare it to Dubyas. All the while, he can still be "above the fray" on the people in his party attacking Bush on his national guard service. He basically called bush/cheney/etc chickenhawks(tm) by proxy.

I have to say, whoever came up with this move is really smooth. Does anyone have any idea who the hitman in the Kerry campaign is?
 
corplinx said:
He is inventing a concerted attack on his military service in order to force the press to compare it to Dubyas.

Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry

This site is linked by tonnes of Republican sites, which Ted Sampley writes articles for. Ted won't disclose his political leanings, but it's obvious he hates the Democrats, and I've seen very little Republican criticism on his site. Maybe it's things like this that give Kerry the impression that there is a concerted attack on his service record.
 
One website that's critical of a politician is hardly a "concerted attack".

The republicans have been active in criticizing Kerry, but it's his record post war that bears the brunt of their venom.

Both sides have been cranking up the political war machine for a seriously bitter campaign. I think it's tragic that the parties are using this as a method of causing division, rather than fruitful debate.
 
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Mr Manifesto said:

This site is linked by tonnes of Republican sites

You don't have to be a Kerry apologist. He wrote the letter to the president, not to that group. And that group criticizes him not for his war record but his post-war one.

Don't be a useful idiot for a spin machine, politicians aren't worth it. Bush, Kerry, Nader et al aren't worth your cognitive dissonance.
 
I haven't heard anything about Bush making hay out of Kerry's war record... or even his postwar activities. The only one who's been making a big deal about it has been Kerry himself, from what I've seen in debates, in his ads and his interviews. Now he's claiming it's off-limits?

Maybe Bush should have talked up his National Air Guard career so he could tell everyone to not discuss it. It's so simple it's genius!

As an aside, has anyone considered that Bush being stateside during Vietnam may well have been the patriotic thing to do after all? I mean, I wouldn't want to be too close to any air strikes he was delivering, would you? Think of all the lives saved!
 
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Mr Manifesto said:


Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry

This site is linked by tonnes of Republican sites, which Ted Sampley writes articles for. Ted won't disclose his political leanings, but it's obvious he hates the Democrats, and I've seen very little Republican criticism on his site. Maybe it's things like this that give Kerry the impression that there is a concerted attack on his service record.
Sampley is a sicko. While there's always oddball stuff being printed in fringe media the NY Times recently used Sampley as a source and that prompted a very honorable response from McCain:

Senator John McCain, Republican, Press Release Issued, 13 February 2004, to The New York Times and Other National News Media regarding Ted Sampley
I strongly caution reporters who may be contacted by or are interested in Mr. Ted Sampley and the various organizations he claims to represent, and his opinions on the subject of Senator Kerry, or any subject for that matter, to investigate thoroughly Mr. Sampley's background and history of spreading outrageous slander and other disreputable behavior before inadvertently lending him or his allegations any credibility.

"I am well familiar with Mr. Sampley, and I know him to be one of the most despicable people I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. I consider him a fraud who preys on the hopes of family members of missing servicemen for his own profit. He is dishonorable, an enemy of the truth, and despite his claims, he does not speak for or represent the views of all but a few veterans. The many veterans I know would think it a disgrace to be considered a comrade or supporter of Ted Sampley."
http://www.racerap.com/tracks/view_tracknews.php?tnid=7117
^Included is a counter comment from NewsMAx praising Sampley

Curious, I searched on Sampley and found this:

Shortly after war borke out in the Persian Gulf, I recieved a call from longtime POW activist Ted Sampley, "did you hear what happend to Wetzel?" he asked. "I mean what really happend to Wetzel?"

Navy Lieutenant Robert Wetzel was an A-6 Intruder pilot shot down on the first day of the war. At the time of Sampley's call the airman was listed as missing in action. According to Sampley, that designation was just a cover for the grisly truth:Wetzel had survived his shootdown, only to parachute directly into a mob of angry Iraqis. Sampley said the anti-Semitic crowd had assumed from his nametag that Wetzel was Jewish. They had all happend to be carrying knives, so they carved him on the spot. Bitz of Wetzels body had been doled out as souvenirs.

"The pentagon doesn't want anybody to know about this,"Sampley confided. "but it's all right. I already told his family."

Wetzel later came home alive and intact. Sampley later admittted he never entily belived the story but had told it anyway tyo publicize the plight of POW's.
http://www.miafacts.org/prankster.htm
^That's just the opening salvo of a whole chapter devoted to slimy stuff Sampley has done, apparently to profit off the POW cause. Here's a line from later in chapter that gives more insight into McCains press release.
While activists and family members were still abuzz over the confrontation, Sampley was already deep into his next project. It was his most scurrilous 2 to date, a sustained campaign to label Senator John McCain an undercover agent of the KGB.
That book thats from was written in 1994 and the author appears to be a conservative. Here's the amazon link for the book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...teshomeA/104-6456047-4034343?v=glance&s=books

Worth noting that the very first press release by Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry was on 2-5-04, there's no way to join the organization and the sites email button is non-functional. As far as I could tell Sampley's the only member of the organization.

Oh, since the first sites newsmax praise for Sampley was dated here's some praise/plugging of Sampley 5 days after McCain's press release:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/2/19/160224.shtml
 
Welcome curious, and I thank you deeply for the great quote from McCain.
Hopefully he will continue to speak out about such dirty tricks.
He has repeatedly proven himself to be a man of honor, obviously.
 
The premise of this thread is simple minded and conclusion driven.
But I expect it will be defended to the death on the point of a pin.
 
subgenius said:
The premise of this thread is simple minded and conclusion driven.
But I expect it will be defended to the death on the point of a pin.

Meh... I wouldn't say that. Its more of a sit back with the popcorn and enjoy the fur flying politics watching thread.

Too many people on this forum take these campaigns of these fancy boy establishment types too seriously.

I prefer to kick back, see it as it is, and have fun with it.
 
I liek the mudslinging. Its entertaining. Why pretend it doesnt exist when someone in teh media is always qucik to bring stuff up.

Remember the Gore Gw election. No one wanted to rock the boat. What a snooze fest.
 
No Answers said:
...Or, as some might say, attempt to appear unbiased after appearing biased.

Okay, I'll bite. How does pointing out a piece of brilliant campaigning make me appear biased? The only way you could infer a bias is to imagine I am either pro-Kerry and congratulaing him or that I am pro-Bush and attempting to cut off a meme at the head. In either case, your own bias about what or who I am determines what you thought of the post.

Let me be clear, if politics was a chessboard you would be in awe of this move.
 
Of course, writing a letter to Bush saying "I will agree not to bring up your military record in the campaign" is itself bringing up Bush's military record, if only implicitly.

If Kerry had REALLY had wanted not to bring up Bush's record, he would have simply said nothing and not mentioned it at all, not write a letter mentioning it in order to say he won't mention it.
 
"We would like to apologize for the way in which politicians are represented in this presentation. It was never our intention to imply that politicians are weak-kneed political time servers who are concerned more with their personal vendettas and private power struggles than the problems of government. Nor to suggest at any point that they sacrifice their credibility by denying free debate on vital matters in the mistaken impression that party unity comes before the well-being of the people they supposedly represent. Nor to imply at any stage that they are squabbling little toadies without an ounce of concern for the vital social problems of today. Nor indeed do we intend that readers should consider them as rabby ulcerous little self-seeking vermin with furry legs and an excessive addiction to alcohol and certain explicit sexual practices which some people might offensive.

...We are sorry if this impression has come across."

...Eric Idle
 
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Mr Manifesto said:


Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry

This site is linked by tonnes of Republican sites, which Ted Sampley writes articles for. Ted won't disclose his political leanings, but it's obvious he hates the Democrats, and I've seen very little Republican criticism on his site. Maybe it's things like this that give Kerry the impression that there is a concerted attack on his service record.

Hey now. Let's quite it with these personal attacks! When will you nasty Democrats stop resorting to such ruthless tactics and talk about the issues, like the republicans always do. :crazy:
 
Tmy said:
I liek the mudslinging. Its entertaining. Why pretend it doesnt exist when someone in teh media is always qucik to bring stuff up.

Remember the Gore Gw election. No one wanted to rock the boat. What a snooze fest.

Ya. I find the Republicans the more entertaining though. They are so very passionit in their outrage and with their pleas to take the high ground and "focus on the issues", and for the democrats to stop the "proxy" attacks.

Then if they happen to find a skeleton in their opponants closet, they go after them like rabid wolves. Suddenly its all about character.
 
The only problem I have really had with Kerry and his military record is his bringing it up at the drop of a hat. Most Vietnam era vets (and a few from later incidents) do not discuss it much, if at all. Even with those that were there as well, much less to the unwashed masses....He brings the whole thing up a bit much for my taste.
 
Tricky said:

Timeless, Tricky. I rate it up there with the MAD all purpuse non-slanderous political hate speech.

*** "This Practising Heterosexual …" ***

an article by Bill Garvin in MAD, the American satirical magazine and printed on December l, 1970 on p. 5 - the Editorial Section - of the Vancouver Sun. (Vancouver, BC)

My fellow citizens, it is an honour and a pleasure to be here today. My opponent has openly admitted he feels an affinity toward your city, but I happen to LIKE this area, it might be a salubrious place to him, but to me it is one of the nation's most delightful garden spots.

When I embarked upon this political campaign, I hoped that it could be conducted on a high level and that my opponent would be willing to stick to the issues. Unfortunately, he has decided to be tractable instead - to indulge in unequivocal language, to eschew the use of outright lies in his speeches, and even to make repeated veracious statements about me.

At first, I tried to ignore these scrupulous, unvarnished fidelities. Now I will do so no longer. IF MY OPPONENT WANTS A FIGHT, HE'S GOING TO GET ONE!

It might be instructive to start with his background.

My friends, have you ever accidentally dislodged a rock on the ground and seen what was underneath? Well, exploring my opponent's background is dissimilar. All the slime and filth and corruption you can possibly imagine, even in your wildest dreams, are glaringly non-existent in this man's life. And even during his childhood!

Let us take a very quick look at that childhood: It is a known fact that, on a number of occasions, he emulated older boys at a certain playground. It is also known that his parents not only permitted him to masticate excessively in their presence, but even urged him to do so.

Most explicable of all, this man who poses as a paragon of virtue exacerbated his own sister when they were both teenagers!

I ask you, fellow Americans: is this the kind of person we want in public office to set an example for our youth?

Of course, it's not surprising that he should have such a typically pristine background - no, not when you consider the other members of his family:

His female relatives put on a constant pose of purity and innocence, and claim they are inscrutable, yet every one of them has taken part in hortatory activities.

The men in the family are likewise amenable to moral suasion.

My opponent's second cousin is a Mormon.

His uncle was a flagrant heterosexual.

His sister, who had always been obsessed by sects, once worked as a proselyte outside a church.

His father was secretly chagrined at least a dozen times by matters of a pecuniary nature.

His youngest brother wrote an essay extolling the virtues of being a Homo sapien.

His great-aunt expired from a degenerative disease.

His nephew subscribes to a phonographic magazine.

His wife was a thespian before their marriage and even performed the act in front of paying customers.

And his own mother had to resign from a women's organisation in her later years because she was an admitted sexagenarian.

Now what shall we say of the man himself?

I can tell you in solemn truth that he is the very antithesis of political radicalism, economic irresponsibility, and personal depravity.

His own record proves that he has frequently discountenanced treasonable, un-American philosophies and has perpetrated many overt acts as well.

He perambulated his infant son on the street.

He practised nepotism with his uncle and first cousin.

He attempted to interest a 13-year old girl in philately.

He participated in a séance at a private residence where among other odd goings-on, there was incense.

He has declared himself in favour of more homogeneity on college campuses.

He has advocated social intercourse in mixed company - and has taken part in such gatherings himself.

He has been deliberately averse to crime in our city streets.

He has urged our Protestant and Jewish citizens to develop more catholic tastes.

Last summer he committed a piscatorial act on a boat that was flying the American flag.

Finally, at a time when we must be on our guard against all foreignisms, he has coolly announced his belief in altruism - and his fervent hope some day that this entire nation will be altruistic!

I beg you, my friends, to oppose this man whose life and work and ideas are so openly and avowedly compatible with our American way of life. A vote for him would be a vote for the perpetuation of everything we hold dear.

The facts are clear; the record speaks for itself.

Do your duty.
 

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