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Keratin that makes up human hair evolved before mammals

Eos of the Eons

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20081111/sc_livescience/originofbadhairdiscovered

The study suggests that hair keratins evolved first in our bird and reptile ancestors. In the case of the anole lizard, the hair-keratin genes were used for forming claws and possibly their body scales.

The kind of keratin we have in the make-up of our hair and nails was thought to have evolved in mammalian ancestry, now it seems that the keratin evolved before there were mammals around, and actually was in the claws of reptiles even before dinos evolved.
 
I remember learning about hair growth compared to scale and claw growth. I had already assumed (without knowing that it wasn't checked out yet-and I didn't know that I could have been assuming incorrectly) that the keratin was very similar, if not the same as human hair keratin in some species with scales and claws.

The rhino horn is hair too. Keratin is really cool.

I guess I'm not at all surprised by this. It's like just stating the obvious. So many traits on humans are very close to other non-mammalian traits. And some people think evolution is such a far-fetched notion. When you get right down to the genetics when examining traits like skin, hair, organs, eyes, and what they are made up of etc., then you just realize how it is very NOT far-fetched. It is just common sense. Darwin was lucky enough to learn about biolgoy in depth, and put it all together before others got the chance to publish.

Evolution would have been presented long before it actually was if certain peoples didn't work to suppress the information. And yeah, I usually hate conspiracies, but this one is so well documented. Darwin's work expanded on much of the knowledge in existence because he was building on what was already discovered. His travels and discoveries solidified and expanded upon the "theory". You can see the wrath directed at him by some people still, and that is why most who came before him didn't publish. They knew that would happen

At least these scientists can now just report on their findings as soon as they come to some conclusions. People who don't want to learn can just ignore it and continue on calling it "devilution". It's really sad that a lot of people prefer to miss out on this amazing information. I know, some find it boring, but I'm enthralled.

I just wish understanding outer space was this easy to me. You can't put most of what is out there under a microscope, so to speak, yet though.
 
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I don't get what's supposed to be the new discovery here. It's been known for years and years that hair, feathers, claws, and reptile scales were all made of keratin...
 
At least ten years ago I saw an exhibition of dinosaur fossils with traces of fur. Now, mammals do not stem from dinosaurs, but obviously it must have evolved before the common ancestor of mammals and dinosaurs.
 
I don't get what's supposed to be the new discovery here. It's been known for years and years that hair, feathers, claws, and reptile scales were all made of keratin...

The new discovery is that the kind of keratin for mammalian hair is also found on ancient reptiles (in scales and claws).

Most scientists used to assume that the kind of keratin for mammalian hair only evolved when mammals did. I wasn't surprised to hear that it is also found in ancient reptiels, and therefore evolved before mammals did. There are many types of keratin that can be produced by species.

Is dino fur like mammal fur or hair, or totally different? Even dogs can have fur or hair depending on the species.
 
OK, I googled a little for dinosaur hair, and it seems that what little evidence there is of hair, has been a precursor to feathers, like in sinosauropteryx primaWP, described like this at the American Museum of Natural History:
AMNH said:
Instead Sinosauropteryx had a coating of thin, hollow filaments on its body. These primitive feathers may have served to keep the animal warm, much as hair does on mammals.
 
Gahhhh!!!! NO.

*breathes*

No. Earlier species had the traits. Like reptiles. THEN birds on one branch. On a different branch of branches wayyy off of the reptile lines humans appeared much much much much MUUUUUCH later with hair made from the keratin that was passed on bazillions of years later. It seems the keratin genes didn't originate in mammals afterall.
 
We're descended from birds now?

Gahhhh!!!! NO.

*breathes*

No. Earlier species had the traits. Like reptiles. THEN birds on one branch. On a different branch of branches wayyy off of the reptile lines humans appeared much much much much MUUUUUCH later with hair made from the keratin that was passed on bazillions of years later. It seems the keratin genes didn't originate in mammals afterall.

Eos, the Dr. is responding to the snippet of article that you posted.
 

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