Ken Ham says Aliens will go to Hell

Well, if aliens are going to Hell, then perhaps they might perform some rectal examins on Mr. Ham before they complete the trip. It seems only fair.
 
Screw what Ham thinks. If the tree granted knowledge, then Adam and Eve's only sin was that they didn't eat an entire bushel full.
 
Frozenwolf150 said:
Screw what Ham thinks. If the tree granted knowledge, then Adam and Eve's only sin was that they didn't eat an entire bushel full.
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Interesting too that the very first words addressed by God to Man were a lie.
Genesis 2:16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
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If they had eaten their fill they might have realised that their god was a deceiver.
 
bruto said:
Too much trouble removing the head. Besides, you don't know where it's been.
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Possibly. Or it might be along the lines of what Kang (or was it Kodos?) said:

"Stop! We have reached the limits of what rectal probing can teach us."
 
HansMustermann said:
Forget aliens, wouldn't that apply to the Neanderthals too? I mean, they seem to have had ritual burial, which indicates some kind of religion. But it happened before there could even be an Adam, much less a Jesus to save them. So God... what? Saw them being intelligent enough to worry about an afterlife, and take blind stabs at appeasing whatever sky daddy there may be, and He just couldn't give a crap about it for like 800,000 years straight?
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This conjures up an image of Ken Hamderthal going from one tribe to the next trying to collect enough bones to fund his Ark Park. At night, he lies under the beautiful star-lit sky and asks god, "When the hell is that internet thingy gonna be here?"
 
Gawdzilla said:
But why would God create being that were never going to know salvation? :p
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I can't imagine, unless he is more monstrous than the worst creature he ever made. In spite of that, such is the doctrine of Calvinism.
In the Reformed (Calvinist) camp, predestination includes individuals. In other words, the Reformed doctrine of predestination is that God predestines whom He wants to be saved; and that without this predestination, none would be saved.
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http://carm.org/predestination-and-election
This vile doctrine was of course professed here in Scotland by the post-Reformation church, and satirised by Robert Burns, in Holy Willie's Prayer, 1785.
O Thou wha in the heavens dost dwell,
Wha, as it pleases best Thysel’,
Sends ane to heaven an’ ten to hell,
A’ for Thy glory,
And no for ony gude or ill
They’ve done afore Thee!
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So Adam and Eve, tasting forbidden fruit messed everything up in the universe. (You know the entire billions of light year expanse totally revolves on what happens on this small backwater planet.) So to fix it God sends his only son or himself as his own son as a blood sacrifice but it only fixes the problem for humans.

Okay, this has to be the most convoluted and stupid thing to come out of anyone's mouth. Then the evangelicals wonder why their brand of religion is crumbling because the young adults are not warming up to this. You have to be brain damaged or at the lowest level of education to believe this.
 
Crow T R0bot said:
Ken Ham says Aliens will go to Hell ...So let's stop looking for them.
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No, Ken Ham didn't say that, as sphenisc points out.

Think of the question "Why do atheists hate God?" But atheists don't think God exists, so the question doesn't make sense. Similarly, Ham doesn't think aliens exist, so how can they go to Hell?

According to Ham, it is "shocking" that "hundreds of millions of dollars" has been spent looking for aliens that don't exist, "driven by man’s rebellion against God in a desperate attempt to supposedly prove evolution". But Ham is still happy for scientists to look for aliens, since in his eyes not finding them somehow helps to disprove evolution.

I'm an Australian theist, but think that Ken Ham is an embarrassment to both theists and Australians. However, misrepresenting creationists makes it easier for creationists to laugh off legitimate criticism. There is a LOT to laugh at when it comes to Ken Ham, so promoting a strawman version of what he said is counter-productive.
 
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Actually, I don't think it's much of a mis-representation. He literally makes the argument that only humans would be saved. Direct quote: "Only descendants of Adam can be saved."

Yes, he then uses that in an implied nonsensical appeal to consequences: because they wouldn't be saved, they don't exist.

But that holds as much water as saying that if cancer can't be cured, then it doesn't exist. Or like saying that if we can't prevent being wiped out by a gamma ray burst from if a nearby star goes supernova, then supernovas don't exist. Just because an implication is unpalatable, it doesn't mean the universe neatly rearranges itself so it doesn't happen.

But at any rate, while Mr Ham's illogical beliefs are that therefore aliens can't exist, he did spell it out that if they did exist, they'd not be saved.
 
HansMustermann said:
But at any rate, while Mr Ham's illogical beliefs are that therefore aliens can't exist, he did spell it out that if they did exist, they'd not be saved.
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Sure, but that is no more illogical than atheists saying that if Biblical God did exist, He'd be a homicidal maniac and they'd hate Him. Imagine though a headline from that: "Atheists claim they hate God!"

I agree with your other points though.
 
Wow, aliens, All the pagans, Elvis, Einstein, most of the slutty women, once you get over the weather, Hell will be a hoot
 
sphenisc said:
Great. Now show me a contradiction.
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If they're not saved they cannot not go to hell. You DO know that this is how things work in Christian theology, right ? That's the contradiction, unless they think they don't have souls, which would have been shorter to say. But of course he didn't say that.
 
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