Ken Ham says Aliens will go to Hell

HansMustermann said:
I mean, not that I find even the former justifiable or sane, but the latter is just nuts.
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Well .... it is ken ham, 100% certified nuts. Other christian variety would strongly disagree in particular the one which put the emphasis on good deed , rather than the emphasis on faith.
 
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HansMustermann said:
Wait, wait, lemme get this straight... so God, in his infinite mercy and justice, not only will torture someone for all eternity for something a distant ancestor did, thousands of years ago, but will do the same to someone who isn't even a descendant of the guy that did it? I mean, not that I find even the former justifiable or sane, but the latter is just nuts.

It's like saying I hate the eskimos and they have it coming to them, for what Hitler did. WTH did the eskimo have to do with that?

Replace that with aliens and Adam, and that's pretty much what's being claimed.
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That was kind of my take on it. Ham's "reasoning"
You see, the Bible makes it clear that Adam’s sin affected the whole universe. This means that any aliens would also be affected by Adam’s sin, but because they are not Adam’s descendants, they can’t have salvation.
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seems flawed by his own theology, which, as I understand it, goes "man needs salvation from Adam's sin because he is Adam's descendant." If aliens aren't descended from Adam, why are they affected by, and need salvation from, his sin? And, if they are (affected by Adam's sin)- well, as you say, it seems cosmically unfair to damn them with the sin even though they're not descended from Adam, while withholding the possibility of salvation because they're not descended from Adam.

I guess that's the thing about faith-by-assertion, though- even an assertion that makes no sense in the context of the rest of the theology (like "Adam’s sin affected the whole universe") must be accepted as an equal part of it; any assertion is as good as any other when the only basis for comparison is how it serves the conclusion.
 
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When I was a young Catholic lad... And also a great science-fiction fan... I speculated that if there WERE intelligent aliens... Wouldn't each race have it's own "garden of Eden" test of some sort?
Wouldn't God set up a similar situation for all the races he created? Which then led me to speculate... What if some alien race or other had passed? Had not listened to the crawling zoompfrit or whatever and had not eaten the qualicashi fruit and was still living in idyllic splendor... Attuned to nature and all that?
Needless to say, I learned not to voice these speculations in front of the clergy....
 
Bikewer said:
When I was a young Catholic lad... And also a great science-fiction fan... I speculated that if there WERE intelligent aliens... Wouldn't each race have it's own "garden of Eden" test of some sort?
Wouldn't God set up a similar situation for all the races he created? Which then led me to speculate... What if some alien race or other had passed? Had not listened to the crawling zoompfrit or whatever and had not eaten the qualicashi fruit and was still living in idyllic splendor... Attuned to nature and all that?
Needless to say, I learned not to voice these speculations in front of the clergy....
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That would seem the best plan of a sane universal creator of intelligent beings.

In fact here's where the ancient aliens and the fundies could colaborate. Ezekiel had interaction with some odd beings which he considered heavenly. Ancient alien promoters say this was an alien vistation.
Conflate the two and you have alien visitation designed to occur by the creator to inform humans that there were other 'saved' races beyond those on this planet.

Mr. Ham lacks vision.
Then again what do I know, I'm just a lapsed Baptist, and also going to hell. You as a former Papist , as far as Ham is concerned, never had a chance, though if you submit your life to Jaysues and send Ken Ham money,,,,,,,,
 
I suppose it's a day late and a dollar short, but I am surprised that even Ken Hamm can be so utterly and blazingly stupid even about his own stupidity. If the aliens are not descendants of Adam they cannot, according to a biblical literalist, possibly be human. If his suggestion that they're going to hell is correct, then what he says applies to everything that lives in the universe.

Penguin Island was a grand joke. Hamm is a joke too, but far less entertainingly written.
 
Rincewind said:
But isn't He supposed to be omnipresent?
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Not in his human form.
God "sent his son" to live as a human. Most assume that this human form is a manifestation of that God, that is that Jesus is part of God that lived on Earth.
Therefore on another planet its not too likely that this omnipresent God would visit it in earth-human form, might just scare the ,,, um Bejeesesus,, out of them. Then again if they, and we, are all made 'in his image' then they supposedly also would look like us, and therefore no problem with Jesus looking the same everywhere.

If God started life on other planets, and if the beloved by God intelligent species there was also made 'in his image', and thus looks like us, then one would assume that either: that planet's Adam made the same sin, and therefore if God wanted to save that world thousands of years later, he would have sent Jesus to them as well; or that Adam never sinned, and rejected Eve's offer of the apple. Perhaps alien Eve herself told the serpent to "go to hell", in which case there was no sin to absolve and thus all inhabitants, by Ham's own measure, are going to heaven. (they then, be better than we:D)

Ham has no information upon which to base any assumption that the inhabitants of other planets were not either saved as well , or perhaps never required it in the first place. His only reference is a lack of reference to such things, in the Bible. So what? The Bible says nothing about electricity, internal combustion engines or computers either. Nor does the Bible even mention that stars are other Suns or that they have planets. Apparently He wanted us to discover these things on our own and thus it could be assumed that He wanted us to discover other worldly, God beloved, sentient beings on our own as well.
 
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"You see, the Bible makes it clear that Adam’s sin affected the whole universe," Ham wrote on his blog on Sunday.
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It's funny how Ken forgets to mention that the universe the Bible speaks of looked like this.
 

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Maybe by "aliens" he was referring to the xenomorphs of the "Alien" movie franchise? If so, I'm cool with them going to hell. If you ask me they're a bunch of bad eggs.
 
sphenisc said:
He said he didn't think they existed but if they did they wouldn't be sons of Adam and couldn't be saved.
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and, in his distorted vision of everything, that leads inexorably to hellfire for them. Thus, he implicitly said they would automatically go to hell...unsaved = hellfire. His concepts are known so this is not anyone's guess at what he meant. It is crystal clear on it's face and to it's fundament.....
 
fuelair said:
and, in his distorted vision of everything, that leads inexorably to hellfire for them. Thus, he implicitly said they would automatically go to hell...unsaved = hellfire. His concepts are known so this is not anyone's guess at what he meant. It is crystal clear on it's face and to it's fundament.....
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Then it should be easy for you to provide evidence.
 
The Urantia Book teaches that Jesus was the son of God sent to administer some subset of the universe that includes our planet, and other areas have their own respective sons of God.

The U-book also states that Earth is quarantined and cannot be visited by beings from other worlds, which implies that crop circles and trailer-park anal probe abductions are criminal actions.
 
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