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Did Karen satisfy the media presence and academic witness requirement? If so where can more info on her be found?
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Karen Sellers - telekinesis
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I've just read the proposed protocol, which looks good. I have some suggestions.
Use a brass key. No question of a hidden magnet being used.
Set the jar to the concrete using putty. This will preclude any rocking of the jar or 'accidental' displacement by a brushing contact.
For the surface you might look for a cement floored aircraft hanger. Solid floor, out of the weather in a controllable area.
HTH
Robert
Use a brass key. No question of a hidden magnet being used.
Set the jar to the concrete using putty. This will preclude any rocking of the jar or 'accidental' displacement by a brushing contact.
For the surface you might look for a cement floored aircraft hanger. Solid floor, out of the weather in a controllable area.
HTH
Robert
Why a key?
Several people have mentioned using different types of key, but I feel compelled to ask: Why use a key at all?
Surely there are better things to use - like a stone or a conker, or something natural that has the rough same weight with none of the worry of magnetism or 'sunlight warping it and making it rock', or what have you.
Why does it always have to be a key?
Several people have mentioned using different types of key, but I feel compelled to ask: Why use a key at all?
Surely there are better things to use - like a stone or a conker, or something natural that has the rough same weight with none of the worry of magnetism or 'sunlight warping it and making it rock', or what have you.
Why does it always have to be a key?
Welcome to the forum, Bellman.
The protocol is designed to meet the described ability. Randi says: "If you claim to be able to play the violin, we won't make you play the piano." Hence the key on a string.
If I had to guess about the reason for her application, I'd go with the intent to cheat. (No offense intended, Ms. Sellers.) My second guess would be that the applicant fell for some self-deception. A distant third is the thought that she's a few prawns short of a universe.
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Had another thought overnight.
If you could set up one or more duplicate jar/key arrangements placed outside her range, but otherwise in as close to the same conditions as the test jar, you’d have a kind of control. Put time-synced cameras on everything, and compare any movements afterward.
No more seismographic or traffic problems.
If you could set up one or more duplicate jar/key arrangements placed outside her range, but otherwise in as close to the same conditions as the test jar, you’d have a kind of control. Put time-synced cameras on everything, and compare any movements afterward.
No more seismographic or traffic problems.
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What I don't see in the protocol is the number of attempts that will comprise a complete test, and the number of successful attempts that will comprise a successful test. Also, I do not see the stipulation that a direction of spin (clockwise or counter-clockwise) will be chosen at random prior to each attempt, and that the direction of spin acheived must match the direction of spin chosen for an attempt to be deemed successful.
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Great ideas!
Non-magnetic key and aircraft hanger. Since the concrete at airports is often about three feet thick that should eliminate the possibilty of her shifting it about. And provided that the weather is not too windy and there are not airplanes rolling about nearby, then that should eliminate any normally vibrations from occurring.
Ok, why not set up the key in a jar in a sound booth or in a music studio room? They are commonly built to remove sound and any kind of vibration or influence in the desired result.
She could still see the jar and hell, have it lean on the glass.
She could still see the jar and hell, have it lean on the glass.
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What good is a special ability if you only can move a key? Come on when some one has Sylar-strength telekinesis (the gore can be left out from the demonstration.)
See you dont understand.
Why do you think luke had to travel to Dagobah in Episode 4? You dont just have these powers without training hard - starting with keys on strings, you can work your way up to real world application like moving rebel star fighters out of swamps.
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Yeah, but did Luke leave Yoda just after being able to move little pebbles?
Sellers is like Geller, only demonstrating sissy powers. If I was Geller and if the powers was real, I would train my powers until I could bend I-beams and not a minute earlier.
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Sure. Sure. And then the Twoothers would blame you for bringing down the WTC towers.
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Suggestions:
1. Nonmagnetic key. Add testing with a strong magnet in addition to the fan test.
2. Large key. Go for one of those big ol' 13th century things. More stable.
3. Specify exactly how far from center it has to be on the spin. Put a calibrated paper w/ concentric circles at the bottom of the glass, have the key reach to just barely above it. Then it'll be easy to tell how far it is from center. Check alignment with center as part of setup.
4. (Optional) Have a glass-in-glass design - the outer one being open at the bottom (like those things for holding cheese - the top part's a glass bell). Then she could touch the outer bell without disturbing the inner one. Might feel better.
5. Major tweak: Instead of requiring her to specify a direction (maybe that's an advanced skill?), just have her move it at all. Compare to an identical control setup - she picks which one is the control - that's outside her range. Video both of 'em. Success is if the two setups differ in behavior (e.g. swing vs no swing in a specified 5-minute period, over 20 or so such periods) to a statistically significant degree. Pro: Would detect any deviation caused, not require her to pick a direction; Con: More complex setup & oh noes teh math.
1. Nonmagnetic key. Add testing with a strong magnet in addition to the fan test.
2. Large key. Go for one of those big ol' 13th century things. More stable.
3. Specify exactly how far from center it has to be on the spin. Put a calibrated paper w/ concentric circles at the bottom of the glass, have the key reach to just barely above it. Then it'll be easy to tell how far it is from center. Check alignment with center as part of setup.
4. (Optional) Have a glass-in-glass design - the outer one being open at the bottom (like those things for holding cheese - the top part's a glass bell). Then she could touch the outer bell without disturbing the inner one. Might feel better.
5. Major tweak: Instead of requiring her to specify a direction (maybe that's an advanced skill?), just have her move it at all. Compare to an identical control setup - she picks which one is the control - that's outside her range. Video both of 'em. Success is if the two setups differ in behavior (e.g. swing vs no swing in a specified 5-minute period, over 20 or so such periods) to a statistically significant degree. Pro: Would detect any deviation caused, not require her to pick a direction; Con: More complex setup & oh noes teh math.
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