Kamikaze Attacks and the Effect of Speed

[fess]

Are you really that dumb or are you just playing dumb?

Having the chance to read some of the posts by Profanz, it’s really hard to make a decision. Help me out... will you?

 

[jaydeehess]

It is odd that the title of the thread has nothing to do with the new topic, fire damage.

 

[jaydeehess]

A World War II Kamikaze attack isn't what is claimed to have happened on 9/11. Don't you debunkers have any real comparisons?

Poor us, there are so very few instances of a loaded jet airliner being deliberatly rammed at high speed into a high rise structure.

There are no others, and thus we have to rely on occurances that demostrate pricinples.
Yes, steel buildings have completely succumbed to fire alone, and yes, aircraft have penetrated steel structures.

The only instance I can think of in which an airliner hit a large building was the 747 that ran right through an apartment building in Hamburg and indeed the structure was completely destroyed to a width greater than that of the wingspan of the aircraft. This aircraft was larger, but was crashing because it could not generate enough power to stay in the air, and the building was not as deep but several times longer than the towers.

Tell me, will you not accept any comparison except those in which a Boeing 767 or 757 rams a 1000+ foot steel tall office tower?

 

[dafydd]

My dear friend. Have you read my post? My 3 year old does understand.

Something very similar applies to the KTF. Try really really hard. You can do it!

I tried it on my 4 year old grandson,he understood.Put your thinking cap on Profanz,and read it again.Slowly,moving the lips no doubt,but please try to understand it.

 

[magellan]

I guess we should be glad truthers are a rather new type, or else we could be sitting in a cold damp cave right now, arguing back and forth wether making spears and arrows is a good idea, since animals step on twigs all the time, and it never seems to kill them, and besides that stop rubbing those twigs together! Two cold things can never make a hot thing, that violates the laws of thermodynamics!

 

[fess]

I guess we should be glad truthers are a rather new type, or else we could be sitting in a cold damp cave right now, arguing back and forth wether making spears and arrows is a good idea, since animals step on twigs all the time, and it never seems to kill them, and besides that stop rubbing those twigs together! Two cold things can never make a hot thing, that violates the laws of thermodynamics!

Trying to inject common sense into a conversation carried out by a few irrational people doesn’t work well, as can be seen by a few of the responses by the irrational people. But, it sure makes me laugh… which is good.
Welcome to the forum.

 

[CompusMentus]

The only instance I can think of in which an airliner hit a large building was the 747 that ran right through an apartment building in Hamburg and indeed the structure was completely destroyed to a width greater than that of the wingspan of the aircraft.

This crash HERE (BBC) came immediately to mind for me

1992: El Al jumbo crashes in Amsterdam
An Israeli Boeing 747 cargo plane has crashed in the outskirts of Amsterdam in the Netherlands, setting two blocks of flats on fire and killing dozens of people.

The El Al jumbo jet came down shortly after take-off, at 1830 local time, spilling burning fuel over a wide area in the suburb of Bijlmermeer, to the south of the city.

Amsterdam city officials say 50 flats in the nine-storey blocks were hit directly by the falling plane. Nearly 40 bodies have been recovered so far.

The pilot sent an emergency distress signal ten minutes after taking off for Tel Aviv in Israel. He reported two of the plane's four engines had failed.

Burning buildings

It looks as though he had turned back to attempt an emergency landing when the plane came down.

All four crew were killed instantly.

Police fear up to 200 people may have been killed on the ground.

The plane was carrying 114 tons of cargo on a flight from New York to Tel Aviv via Amsterdam, which burst into flames when it hit the ground.

Hundreds of ambulances headed to the scene of the burning buildings. Helicopters helped fly some of the injured to a burns unit at Beverwijk, 25 miles (40km) to the west.

A former soldier who lived nearby said he heard a big bang and ran outside to see the building torn apart.

"People were jumping from the seventh-floor balcony in panic. I saved some, but there were many more still trapped inside their homes. It was hopeless," he said.

Reports from Jerusalem said there were no signs of a terrorist attack on the aircraft.

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Compus

 

[NutCracker]

This crash HERE (BBC) came immediately to mind for me


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Compus

Yes. The 1994 Amsterdam Airport El-Al crash I mentioned in #45. I used to live about where you see what appears to be lens flare in the upper right of the picture. Luckily for me, at the time of the crash I had already moved to another area of the city. I saw the site the day after the crash. The smell of fuel... There was aircraft debris many hundreds of meters from the crash site. I had vivid memories of the people that lived and did their daily things right where there was now a big hole. Bad, bad.

ETA: it was 1992, BTW. Not 1994. Sorry about that. Me to me: was it THAT long ago? Yes, it was.

 

[jaydeehess]

Yes. The 1994 Amsterdam Airport El-Al crash I mentioned in #45. I used to live about where you see what appears to be lens flare in the upper right of the picture. Luckily for me, at the time of the crash I had already moved to another area of the city. I saw the site the day after the crash. The smell of fuel... There was aircraft debris many hundreds of meters from the crash site. I had vivid memories of the people that lived and did their daily things right where there was now a big hole. Bad, bad.

:::wide derail:::
Several years back a C-130 crashed in the Arctic on its way to the northern tip of Ellesmere Island. 5 years before that I had been on a C-130 going to the same place, in fact it was the same Canadian Forces flight number, a weekly re-supply flight to a station up there. Because of my personal knowledge of what conditions the crash survivors would have been experiencing as they waited through an Arctic storm for rescue still makes me shudder.

::On topic::
Here we have a slower but larger aircraft managing to not only enter a steel or concrete high rise structure but it blasted right through it. Of course the building was, what, 50-60 feet thick compared to the WTC which was twice that.

BTW has anyone mentioned that a karate master can break bricks (or boards) with his bare hands?
An example of a soft fleshy relatively light weight thingie versus a hard dense heavier thingie.