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kageki explains exactly who killed JFK, how, and why

tomwaits said:
what is "true Judaism"? if there really was such a thing, I'd say it was the variety that revolved around making sacrifices at the Temple in Jerusalem.
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http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

These people call themselves, True Torah Jews. I will defer you to the experts themselves.

I think you are right about the "variety" and that is exactly what some people are saying they are trying to do. To build the temple so the messiah can come.
 
These people call themselves, True Torah Jews. I will defer you to the experts themselves.
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So because they call themselves "True Torah Jews" that means they have to be correct? The Second Temple was destroyed in 70 AD. Since then, Judaism has taken on several different forms at many different points in history. No longer can any part of Judaism claim to be "true" Judaism (if there ever was such a thing).
 
Darth Rotor said:
Your inability to sort through historical information and distill coherent thought from it has been shown before.

Why are you revisiting and emphasizing your shortcomings?

Have you not gotten enough thrashings of late?

DR
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If you can kindly be more specific in your criticism then perhaps I can improve myself?

Spank me please sir.
 
tomwaits said:
So because they call themselves "True Torah Jews" that means they have to be correct? The Second Temple was destroyed in 70 AD. Since then, Judaism has taken on several different forms at many different points in history. No longer can any part of Judaism claim to be "true" Judaism (if there ever was such a thing).
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Why don't you ask them or actually check out the links? You are also doubting the view of orthodox rabbis?

Religious Jews then? Zionism is a political movement while Judaism is religious. That's the fundamental difference.
 
Soooo... you aren't a raging anti-semite because you don't hate the "real" jews, just the 90% that are fake or "baaaad" jews?
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
Soooo... you aren't a raging anti-semite because you don't hate the "real" jews, just the 90% that are fake or "baaaad" jews?
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Well it's not 90% and no I never hated Jews necessarily. I would hate anyone that does anything wrong. Where does all this assumption comes from anyways?
 
kageki said:
These people call themselves, True Torah Jews. I will defer you to the experts themselves.
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I guess that's sorta like the people who call themselves "true Christians."

Oh, wait, all of them say that, while claiming that all the others aren't.
 
CurtC said:
I guess that's sorta like the people who call themselves "true Christians."

Oh, wait, all of them say that, while claiming that all the others aren't.
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There are different denominations and the difference between Zionists and religious Jews is starkly different.

If you can consider that they are not really religious Jews then what would you call them?
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
Uhhhh... no, wrong, sorry. The overwhelming majority of the jewish community supports the state of Israel.
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Well there are probably a variety of views that extend to the moderate side. I understand it's difficult to talk about Zionism now because Israel exists, but I still contend that those who explicitly call themselves Zionists are not representative of the Jewish people in general. Some people may support Israel, but not an expansionist policy for example.

I submit every post you have made here as proof that the above statement is a bald faced lie.
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Well I don't see it that way.
 
kageki said:
I understand it's difficult to talk about Zionism now because Israel exists, but I still contend that those who explicitly call themselves Zionists are not representative of the Jewish people in general.
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Please name some Jews who explicitly call themselves "Zionists".
 
tomwaits said:
Please name some Jews who explicitly call themselves "Zionists".
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http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:4L-vw9MqcVEJ:www.democracynow.org/finkelstein-benami.shtml+zionist+ben+ami&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Shlomo Ben-Ami

"I want to say it very clearly, it is because I define myself as an ardent Zionist that thinks that the best for the Jews in Israel is that we abandon the territories and we dismantle settlements and we try to reach a reasonable settlement with our Palestinian partners. It's not because I am concerned with the Palestinians. I want to be very clear about it. My interpretation, my approach is not moralistic. It's strictly political. And this is what I'm trying to explain in the book."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917

Foreign Office,
November 2nd, 1917.

Dear Lord Rothschild,
I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country".
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely
Arthur James Balfour
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaim_Weizmann
 
Perhaps we can make an attempt to put this thread on topic at some point? At the moment it is heading for a split to R&P, and the rest to AAH.

Topic = who killed JFK, how and why.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero
 
kageki said:
It's not as though I wrote these things. I merely linked to them:
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Are you saying that all you do is mindlessly parrot factoids from conspiracist web sites?

kageki said:
LBJ connection:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13893143/the_last_confessions_of_e_howard_hunt
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E. Howard Hunt's story cannot be accepted without substantial corroboration, due to his advanced age, ill health, and the likelihood that he was unduly influenced by his son St. John (a convicted felon), who has a major financial interest in his father's "confession."

Further, the man in the "Three Tramps" photo has been conclusively proven not to be E. Howard Hunt. See here.

kageki said:
Israel connection:
http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/mossadandtheassassination.htm
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No evidence presented; merely the claim that Israel benefited from Kennedy's death.

kageki said:
http://www.rediff.com/news/2004/jul/26vanunu.htm
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Mordechai VanunuWP's statements are at best hearsay; even if he did make them, he clearly can't have any first-hand knowledge of the subject, as he was nine years old and had just emigrated to Israel from Morocco with his family when Kennedy was assassinated. Considering that Vanunu spent 18 years in an Israeli prison for revealing details of the country's nuclear weapons program, and during that time converted to Christianity, it is reasonable to assume that he might be inclined to uncritically accept claims of Israeli wrongdoing.

kageki said:
Final Judgment by Michael Collins Piper
http://www.amazon.com/Final-Judgment-Missing-Assassination-Conspiracy/dp/0935036539
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The second link above is cribbed from Piper, and the Amazon page presents no evidence.

kageki said:
Israeli nukes
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/farr.htm
http://www.carolmoore.net/nuclearwar/israelithreats.html
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Again, no evidence that Israel was involved in Kennedy's assassination; merely a few claims that LBJ was more pro-Israel that JFK.


So, kageki, would it be accurate to state that you don't have any real evidence that the Israelis assassinated JFK; you merely assume they did because they benefited from his death, and Jews are the root of all evil?
 
kageki said:
The problem is you keep assuming that every single Jew is part of the conspiracy. It really boils down to the regular people vs the influential elites of the world.
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And how do you go about:

1. Determining that they exist.
2. Determining who they are and who isn't ?
 
kageki said:
Why don't you ask them or actually check out the links? You are also doubting the view of orthodox rabbis?
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Yeah, just because they believe something doesn't make it true.

Don't ALL denominations believe they have the true faith ?

And what does that have to do with JFK ?

Well it's not 90% and no I never hated Jews necessarily. I would hate anyone that does anything wrong.
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Ouch. That means you hate everybody. Good luck with that. Stundied.
 
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