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Just a small realization....

A couple of threads over the past few days made me finally realize something. Maybe this is old news to most (or all) of you, but it hit home for me.

Anyway, one of the inspirations for this is Morgan Reynolds's "request for correction", arguing that the impact of the planes, and the subsequent movement of the towers, proves that the planes could not have been real. In a nutshell, the argument is that the towers bend more in a strong wind than they did being hit by loaded jetliners. The forces, the argument goes, could not be that terribly strong if they did not cause even as much bend as the wind does. In fact, one post on another thread calculated the force that should have been carried by fully loaded jetliners and calculates (if memory serves) the amount of bend that we should have seen--the amount we did see is considerably less.

Sounds pretty damning. I had never heard this particular argument before this week, and I don't know that I would have found it particularly convincing or not...but something in these couple of threads triggered a memory. I don't know much about the towers (compared to the folks here), but this thing I do know about.

I have a bed of nails in my office. I use it for "mind over matter" demos, and to show that the physics behind it, rather than any bioenergetic force field, is what keeps me safe. One of the things I do is lay a concrete block on my stomach and have someone hit it with a sledge hammer. This is the part that is important to this thread. Twice, people have been a bit hesitant, and have hit the block with insufficient force to break it. This has the effect of pushing my back against a couple hundred nails, and is not terribly comfortable. Most times, though, people are pretty enthusiastic about swinging a sledgehammer at me, and the concrete block shatters in two, in a cloud of dust and concrete chips. When this happens, I don't feel any pressure at all. The energy is put into breaking the concrete block apart, and cannot be used to push me into the nails.

Exactly the same thing, I think, was at work at the Twin Towers. Of course the buildings did not sway as much as the calculations predict; that energy was being used tearing columns, walls, floors, elevator shafts, apart. Reynolds claims it proves there were no planes; rather, it proves that this energy was spent in destroying the building. The same energy that, if distributed as wind is, would have bent the towers significantly, was distributed in the much smaller "footprint" of the plane, causing more localized and much more significant damage. Like a high-speed bullet disintegrating and spending all its energy in a body, the plane spent all its energy in tearing apart a couple of floors. Reynolds has convinced me of precisely what he claims is not the case.

Sorry if everybody here but me already knew this. I knew that at least one (Reynolds) did not.




Brilliant point, as others point out as well. And true. When I first discovered this 'truth' stuff a short time back, and later read about the demand for restatement on this issue a few days ago on LC before I was banned, and then here too I was utterly shocked. Where in our education system have we failed in something so basic.

I also ask this directly of Dr. Jones as well by email, and got a terse reply that (from a physicist no less) that the plane impacts were inconsequential..........

There were some 98,500 tons of translated energy, coming to a dead stop in less than 140 feet, from a speed of some 400+ mph, with objects with net mass of some 163+ tons at impact on the WTC towers. This, over a surface area of some 100 feet by 35 feet.

The wind translated energy upon the same surface at any time on the WTC is a factor of several millions of times less, per surface contact, over the whole structure. Well, I'll be..........

Same concept of fact as the old hammer-brick set up on the nail bed.

This whole subject defies the remotest concept of reason. (where did this Reynolds's go to school.......?)

Again, excellent analogy.

RAMS
 
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Brilliant point, as others point out as well. And true. When I first discovered this 'truth' stuff a short time back, and later read about the demand for restatement on this issue a few days ago on LC before I was banned, and then here too I was utterly shocked. Where in our education system have we failed in something so basic.

RAMS

Or, "What do they teach them in schools these days?"

Professor Digory Kirke

(I love it when I run across that and variations in other literature. I've even found it in sci-fi)
 
I think we have to keep an eye on this Mercutio dude.

Did everyone else notice how quickly he just "happened" to bring up an analogy using - pardon me - CONCRETE and STEEL?!?!!!111one!!

Did he mention that there are concrete "chunks" after the Swing Sledgehammer at Shrink exercise? Hmm? I'll bet afterwards, the concrete block is reduced to dust in the 1.5 to 1.6754 micron diameter range.

And how come after one of these demonstrations, the cleaning lady AND the stairs janitor both report that the nails have mysteriously disappeared from the bed, but that pools of molten steel can be found under the patient's couch?!? Hmm?!?

Omigod. 9/11 Was A Sledgehammer Job!!!!111one!!!eleventy!!111
 
Or, "What do they teach them in schools these days?"

Professor Digory Kirke

(I love it when I run across that and variations in other literature. I've even found it in sci-fi)



Indeed. I love it too and use it often when combating the UFO nutters about NASA and some of the crap they come up with.

I think too since people are not used to seeing things that appear on the net, like YouTube stuff and such, comparing it to scale in real life, the whole Strange movement with 911 fails to grasp the immense size and scale of what they see in the videos of the WTC event in toto.

Immense scales. It hits home with the amazing zoom in and out, of the couple's video from their apartment not far from the WTC on 911 day. That gives some indicator if ones studies it through.

If the Strange movement had a grasp at the most basic technical level, coupled with seeing grand things in the real world, (like a shuttle launch at the launch site at KSC, verses TV) they would pause before they espouse the rubbish they do.

So utterly illogical; Strange.

Yea, what DO they teach these people, these days.........?

RAMS
 
I think we have to keep an eye on this Mercutio dude.

Did everyone else notice how quickly he just "happened" to bring up an analogy using - pardon me - CONCRETE and STEEL?!?!!!111one!!

Did he mention that there are concrete "chunks" after the Swing Sledgehammer at Shrink exercise? Hmm? I'll bet afterwards, the concrete block is reduced to dust in the 1.5 to 1.6754 micron diameter range.

And how come after one of these demonstrations, the cleaning lady AND the stairs janitor both report that the nails have mysteriously disappeared from the bed, but that pools of molten steel can be found under the patient's couch?!? Hmm?!?

Omigod. 9/11 Was A Sledgehammer Job!!!!111one!!!eleventy!!111
Sorry, but unless someone reports explosion sounds from the basement, I'm just going to have to stick to Mercutio's "official CT."
 
Sorry, but unless someone reports explosion sounds from the basement, I'm just going to have to stick to Mercutio's "official CT."

In this case, any "explosion sounds from the basement" can be attributed to cafeteria chili for lunch. With extra hot sauce.

Sorry.
 
I've worked on the 54th floor in Manhattan (One Penn Plaza), and on windy days, the building sometimes swayed so much that the computer mouse began to glide.

A very weird experience.

But the building didn't move on other, far more windy days. The "trick" is that, not only does the wind have to push the building for a while to set it in motion, it also has to hit it at a specific angle.

What most people don't think about is that there is a hell of a lot of energy in moving air at high speeds.
When the engineers and architects gathered and put scale models of the towers' impressive final design through a wind tunnel for the first time, one of the towers fell over. They beefed things up after that.

It's interesting that the towers' safety factor for overturning from wind load varied from 1.9 to 2.7, depending on the tower and wind direction (the tower cores were oriented perpendicular to each other).

When NIST combined modern wind tunnel testing with computer modeling of the towers, their results varied by as much as 40% with previous calculations. :eye-poppi This sparked much concern that the designers of tall buildings hadn't quite nailed down the problem of wind loading.
 

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