Jussie Smollet Trial

[RecoveringYuppy]

I maintain that -
- 3AM
- sub-zero weather
- downtown Chicago
- Subway run
- two MAGA-chads
- who recognize Smollett
- as both gay and an actor on Empire
- and attack him in an injury-free scuffle
- leaving behind some rope and traces of bleach

Is an implausible array of facts on its face. Winter weather in the middle of the night in downtown Chicago in midwinter is plausible enough. Choosing that time to go on a Subway run stretches credulity only a little. If the story stopped there I doubt anyone would question it. But after that, the coincidences start piling up too high, too fast, to reasonably accept the story at face value pending further information.

Yes, that is screwy and very unlikely but not necessarily wrong in a way that implicates Jussie. In fact, all the last six elements could be explained by him being attacked by people he knew, like pissed off co-workers or something.

His accomplices right now have plenty of reason to want to actually beat him up IMO. If he throws people under the bus like that all the time he could easily have a lot of enemies.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

You're wildly misrepresenting Foxx's involvement.

Not her day one involvement. All the stuff you are complaining about (and rightly so) is not day one. ETA: I'm having a hard time understanding your original comment. Are claiming your comment was just an off the wall comment that no accurate psychics were in the thread?

 

[theprestige]

Yes, that is screwy and very unlikely but not necessarily wrong in a way that implicates Jussie. In fact, all the last six elements could be explained by him being attacked by people he knew, like pissed off co-workers or something.

Yep. That was another early theory. What the reasonable theories have in common is they all predict that whatever happened it probably wasn't exactly what Jussie says happened. Whether Jussie was in on it from the start was a narrowing of prediction as more evidence rapidly came out over the next couple days.

His accomplices right now have plenty of reason to want to actually beat him up IMO. If he throws people under the bus like that all the time he could easily have a lot of enemies.

I'm not sure what to make of this. At the beginning, we didn't know there were accomplices or that he was going to throw them under the bus. Also, him throwing his accomplices under the bus can't possibly have formed the motivation for his accomplices to have perpetrated the real attack which he claimed.

 

[theprestige]

Not her day one involvement. All the stuff you are complaining about (and rightly so) is not day one. ETA: I'm having a hard time understanding your original comment. Are claiming your comment was just an off the wall comment that no accurate psychics were in the thread?

I never said it was. All I said was that the people who predicted on day one the story would turn out to be false, did not predict on day one that Foxx would emerge on day twelve or seventeen or whichever day she actually emerged.

Please go back and re-read my posts for what they actually say, rather than what you think they say or what you need them to say for your rebuttals to make sense.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

I'm not sure what to make of this. At the beginning, we didn't know there were accomplices or that he was going to throw them under the bus. Also, him throwing his accomplices under the bus can't possibly have formed the motivation for his accomplices to have perpetrated the real attack which he claimed.

I'm saying that we know now he is capable of doing horrible things to people that should piss them off. I'm not saying anyone should have known these facts at the time.

I never said it was. All I said was that the people who predicted on day one the story would turn out to be false, did not predict on day one that Foxx would emerge on day twelve or seventeen or whichever day she actually emerged.

Please go back and re-read my posts for what they actually say, rather than what you think they say or what you need them to say for your rebuttals to make sense.

OK. I'll just accept that even though I don't see what the heck your point was. It still reads to me like you were trying to imply Foxx's actions were unreasonable from day one and it doesn't appear that way to me.

 

[theprestige]

I'm saying that we know now he is capable of doing horrible things to people that should piss them off. I'm not saying anyone should have known these facts at the time.



OK. I'll just accept that even though I don't see what the heck your point was. It still reads to me like you were trying to imply Foxx's actions were unreasonable from day one and it doesn't appear that way to me.

Sorry about the confusion. I wasn't trying to imply anything like that. Again, I apologize.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

Sorry about the confusion. I wasn't trying to imply anything like that. Again, I apologize.

I'm sorry the confusion too.


Foxx obviously screwed up multiple times.

 

[trustbutverify]

That's human nature. My grandma's natural death of old age was far more sad to me than forty thousand people I've never met being killed in an earthquake on a continent I've never been to.

Naturally. The difference being the lack of hypocrisy present in the grandma vs earthquake victims situation.

 

[trustbutverify]

Yes, that is screwy and very unlikely but not necessarily wrong in a way that implicates Jussie. In fact, all the last six elements could be explained by him being attacked by people he knew, like pissed off co-workers or something.

Which is all that was necessary to raise serious questions from the start. Yet the Justice for Jussie enthusiasts not only turned a blind eye to such obvious concerns, but questioned the skepticism of those who wouldn't. It seems they should have been questioning their own instead.

 

[Darat]

horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett - part 2

Which is all that was necessary to raise serious questions from the start. Yet the Justice for Jussie enthusiasts not only turned a blind eye to such obvious concerns, but questioned the skepticism of those who wouldn't. It seems they should have been questioning their own instead.

Critical thinking is about the process used to come to a conclusion.

I've gone back to the original thread and reread the first few pages. Some people were using critical thinking but others weren't and it doesn't seem to be related to their initial conclusion being right or wrong.

Being wrong about a situation that is still unfolding doesn't make someone a "bad" skeptic. They would only be a bad skeptic if when more information came to light and they didn't question and revise their initial conclusion based on the new information.

 

[Hellbound]

Critical thinking is about the process used to come to a conclusion.

I've gone back to the original thread and reread the first few pages. Some people were using critical thinking but others weren't and it doesn't seem to be related to their initial conclusion being right or wrong.

Being wrong about a situation that is still unfolding doesn't make someone a "bad" skeptic. They would only be a bad skeptic if when more information came to light and they didn't question and revise their initial conclusion based on the new information.

That’s pretty much what I wanted to post...but I hate typing long posts on my phone. I second this.


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[Drewbot]

It's hard to believe that they used the entire 50 foot roll of clothesline with most of it still in the factory coil.

I had imagined a much shorter length with an actual hangman's knot. The original leaked reports said that it was brand new clothesline and pristine straight from the package. It was also said to be tied more like a Windsor knot.

But now seeing this, it's more ridiculous than anything. This rope is like the poison powder letter. Both are a satire of an actual threat.

Like an "armed robbery" using a pointed index finger and the thumb sticking up. What's that? The hammer and the barrel, stupid!

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Posted By: zooterkin

That isn't even a noose, they just left the clothesline on the original coil, and said it was a noose.

Also-

The story is he was on the phone when he was being attacked with his manager, who was back at Smolletts apartment.

I wonder if he was trying to imply what the manager should think is going on during the 'attack'

HEY GET THAT NOOSE LIKE ROPE OFF ME

WHAT IS THIS CHEMICAL YOU ARE SPLASHING ON ME? BLEACH?! OMG

GET YOUR WHITE ASSES WITH MAGA HATS AWAY FROM ME!!

 

[Belz...]

Critical thinking is about the process used to come to a conclusion.

I've gone back to the original thread and reread the first few pages. Some people were using critical thinking but others weren't and it doesn't seem to be related to their initial conclusion being right or wrong.

My impression was more:

- "I think this is a hoax because X"
- "You're RACIST!"

 

[llwyd]

Maybe, but people manage to draw reasonably-accurate conclusions from limited data all the time. I don't know why in this specific instance you find that it was unwarranted, especially since, as others pointed out, the reasons given at the time for the suspicion of hoax turned out to be the very features that made it a hoax.

I think this is an interesting discussion. Yeah, the initial facts did seem bit outlandish - but I suspect that the people who already judged (correctly) by that still very scant information were mostly the kind of people who would have done that even without any of that outlandishness. Like stopped clocks showing the correct time. So, with them it probably wasn't shrewed reasoning but a reflexive reaction to any initial claim of outrageous racism.

 

[Ziggurat]

I think this is an interesting discussion. Yeah, the initial facts did seem bit outlandish - but I suspect that the people who already judged (correctly) by that still very scant information were mostly the kind of people who would have done that even without any of that outlandishness. Like stopped clocks showing the correct time. So, with them it probably wasn't shrewed reasoning but a reflexive reaction to any initial claim of outrageous racism.

This argument is ironic, because you're engaging in exactly what you're accusing others of doing. You're taking a reflexive position because of your biases, without having any actual evidence to back up your claim.

Stop looking for excuses for why the people who were right weren't really right.

 

[llwyd]

This argument is ironic, because you're engaging in exactly what you're accusing others of doing. You're taking a reflexive position because of your biases, without having any actual evidence to back up your claim.

Stop looking for excuses for why the people who were right weren't really right.

Nope, I appreciate your 101 gaslighting course but, well, no. It's not the same thing.

 

[Ziggurat]

Nope, I appreciate your 101 gaslighting course but, well, no. It's not the same thing.

Yeah, it really is. You've got zero actual evidence for your suspicion. But you suspect it because, well, that's just the sort of people you know those doubters are. How is that any different from what you're accusing them of, namely suspecting a hate crime is fake because that's just what those sort of people do? It's exactly the same.

And the only gaslighting going on is you, as you continue to try to argue that people who were right about this case were actually wrong.

You are doing everything you accuse others of doing. It's as textbook a case of projection as I've ever seen.

 

[Thermal]

Yeah, it really is. You've got zero actual evidence for your suspicion. But you suspect it because, well, that's just the sort of people you know those doubters are. How is that any different from what you're accusing them of, namely suspecting a hate crime is fake because that's just what those sort of people do? It's exactly the same.

And the only gaslighting going on is you, as you continue to try to argue that people who were right about this case were actually wrong.
You are doing everything you accuse others of doing. It's as textbook a case of projection as I've ever seen.

I think they are saying doubters were coincidentally were only coincidentally right, but for the wrong reasons.

Because Racist Arctic MAGAninjas randomly roaming the streets at 2AM who are familiar with a bundled up actor of a show they likely never saw is totally a thing.

 

[Belz...]

I think this is an interesting discussion. Yeah, the initial facts did seem bit outlandish - but I suspect that the people who already judged (correctly) by that still very scant information were mostly the kind of people who would have done that even without any of that outlandishness. Like stopped clocks showing the correct time.

You may be right, but I don't think "screaming racist" fit the profile of most of the posters who thought it was a hoax.

 

[Mike!]

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