June 2007 Stundie Nominations

Being right on this issue is bittersweet though...because it means this country is up s***creek without the proverbial paddle and the people sending us over s***falls are steering the boat by remote control.

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This requires educating a critical mass of people....and everyone who now knows the truth can be a part of that process…like a domino effect. The more we shine the light of day on the cockroaches, the less likely that they will be able to fool the people and fulfill their agenda...
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The boy can mix a metaphor, can't he?
 
Horatius said:
Who was it here who also proposed this "vacuum assisted" demolition theory?

So now we need bombs that not only destroy the support columns, but which (somehow) remove all the building materials and all the air, all at the same time.....yeah, right.
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Yeah, I've seen this brand of foolishness pop up once in a while. I don't know who started it, but for the record, pressure does not "slosh." If you create a high pressure in one spot, that does not mean there will be a low pressure in that spot later. It just doesn't work like that. Ludwig Boltzmann says so.

The only way to get an underpressure from 'plosives is to consume some of the atmosphere (e.g. burning, and 'plosives generally carry their own oxidizer, FAEs excluded), and then somehow get the heat out of the area, quickly, without causing too much mixing or otherwise allowing the atmosphere to reequilibrate. For example, dropping a match into a sealed steel bottle can give you a tiny underpressure, but it takes some time. This doesn't happen very often, the effect is rarely significant, and explosives are a terrible way to do it.
 
R.Mackey said:
Yeah, I've seen this brand of foolishness pop up once in a while. I don't know who started it, but for the record, pressure does not "slosh." If you create a high pressure in one spot, that does not mean there will be a low pressure in that spot later. It just doesn't work like that. Ludwig Boltzmann says so.
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I found the previous instance I was thinking about. It was a finalist in the April Stundies. The original nomination is at:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2511481#post2511481

Pretty much the same nonsense. I wonder if it's the same guy....
 
When Mjd was asked to prove one of his claims...

mjd1982 said:
Asking for "proof" is just stupid and evasive- how can "proof". i.e. something that unequivocally proves something, be brought forth on an internet forum?
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Silly me....if I was really after the twoof I would stick to opinion and conjecture. When will I ever learn that it's impossible to prove something on an internet forum?
 
R.Mackey said:
Yeah, I've seen this brand of foolishness pop up once in a while. I don't know who started it, but for the record, pressure does not "slosh." If you create a high pressure in one spot, that does not mean there will be a low pressure in that spot later. It just doesn't work like that. Ludwig Boltzmann says so.

The only way to get an underpressure from 'plosives is to consume some of the atmosphere (e.g. burning, and 'plosives generally carry their own oxidizer, FAEs excluded), and then somehow get the heat out of the area, quickly, without causing too much mixing or otherwise allowing the atmosphere to reequilibrate. For example, dropping a match into a sealed steel bottle can give you a tiny underpressure, but it takes some time. This doesn't happen very often, the effect is rarely significant, and explosives are a terrible way to do it.
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Even so, would it really produce a significant effect ? I wouldn't think so.
 
pdoherty76 is back in action!

While arguing that the upper sections of the Twin Towers falling onto the lower sections was the same thing as having 10 kgs of sand poured over your head, he states:
pdoherty76@SLCF said:
Please show me the bag that contained the dust in the wtc.
linky
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Oh, pdoh. Why'd you hafta go and get yourself banned here?
 
R.Mackey said:
Yeah, I've seen this brand of foolishness pop up once in a while. I don't know who started it, but for the record, pressure does not "slosh." If you create a high pressure in one spot, that does not mean there will be a low pressure in that spot later. It just doesn't work like that. Ludwig Boltzmann says so.

The only way to get an underpressure from 'plosives is to consume some of the atmosphere (e.g. burning, and 'plosives generally carry their own oxidizer, FAEs excluded), and then somehow get the heat out of the area, quickly, without causing too much mixing or otherwise allowing the atmosphere to reequilibrate. For example, dropping a match into a sealed steel bottle can give you a tiny underpressure, but it takes some time. This doesn't happen very often, the effect is rarely significant, and explosives are a terrible way to do it.
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People tend to overestimate the power of vacuum (mythbusters has gone over this a couple of times). If you were to suck all the air out of a vessel (what a truther called an "implosive" some time back) you would put about 14 psi inwards on every surface of the vessel. This is nothing compared to the power of a good explosive.
 
Kage said:
People tend to overestimate the power of vacuum (mythbusters has gone over this a couple of times). If you were to suck all the air out of a vessel (what a truther called an "implosive" some time back) you would put about 14 psi inwards on every surface of the vessel. This is nothing compared to the power of a good explosive.
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I don't see what this has to do with the quoted post.

I think the point Mackey was making is that pressure doesn't have "momentum". If you have a high pressure area, the gas will flow to the low pressure region until equilibrium is re-established.
 
qarnos said:
I don't see what this has to do with the quoted post.

I think the point Mackey was making is that pressure doesn't have "momentum". If you have a high pressure area, the gas will flow to the low pressure region until equilibrium is re-established.
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Sorry, was just too lazy to go back and get the original. Wasn't criticising him one bit.
 
Kage said:
People tend to overestimate the power of vacuum (mythbusters has gone over this a couple of times). If you were to suck all the air out of a vessel (what a truther called an "implosive" some time back) you would put about 14 psi inwards on every surface of the vessel. This is nothing compared to the power of a good explosive.
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No worries, I didn't take this as critical at all. :D

Vacuum normally gives you a differential of a mere 15 psi (or 100 kPa) of pressure at most, so it's nowhere near as potent as, say, pressurized cylinders (routinely above 3000 psi) or explosives (frequently with overpressure in the tens of thousands of psi at very close range). However, if you have a lot of it, it can exert a lot of energy. "Filling" the entire volume of the WTC Towers with vacuum would be enough to crumple them at frightening speed, if it was somehow possible to actually do this.

At the NASA Ames Research Laboratory, there are several vacuum spheres measuring something like 20 m across. They are used to suck-start transsonic wind tunnels... proving that large volumes of vacuum can, indeed, be quite powerful. Visitors to the site often ask what's in them, to which we reply, "absolutely nothing, and an awful lot of it."
 
June Entries Closed

Entries are now closed for the month of June.​

Any last moment nominations can be posted in the July Nominations thread.
 
Apologies in advance - I've been called back to Ballarat for a rehearsal, so the Stundie finals for June will be up a few days late. I'll be as fast as I can though.
 
I once again want to apologise for the lateness of the voting thread. I'm stuck in Ballarat for longer than I had originally planned, and I foolishly left all of the files relating to the Stundies on my computer in Melbourne - I have the filtering and selection process down to a fine art now. I'll be back in Melbourne on the weekend, and I promise that the very first thing I do will be sorting the Stundies! It shouldn't take long once I have the files and whatnot, as well as a faster internet connection.

Apologies again!

Mobyseven

Democratically Elected Tyrant​
 
Mobyseven said:
Apologies again!

Mobyseven

Democratically Elected Tyrant​
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I will not tolerate such slip shod behaviour from someone who's volunteered to coral stupid on a webforum.

Moby hand in your NWO decoder ring and mind probe.

And the one in your ankle hoster.

:D
 
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