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Julian Assange: rapist or not?

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McHrozni said:
Making a mistake in the first place does not automatically disqualify you from trying to fix it. Is that so hard to understand?



He wasn't ordered to submit to STD testing. He was asked, and he refused. That doesn't make him a rapist*, true, but it hardly makes him an upstanding member of society, either.

*Swedish law might be different, unlikely but not impossible

McHrozni
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It's been several months. Either these ladies have an infection or they don't. At this point you don't chase a guy to another county to get him to tell you if he had an STD, you get tested.

This is absolute nonsense to actually take these charges seriously and not see them as totally trumped up. You can believe what you want. I think is a farce.
 
BenBurch said:
Sometimes prosecutors use a lesser change to arrest and hold a person whom they think will shortly be wanted on a far more grievous change.
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Sure, but there needs to be a specific law they suspect you violated.

That's quite different from waiting for the US to make a law up or declare the guy to be a enemy combatant.

This is exactly why it was so dangerous when Bush started up Gitmo and locked people up that supposedly posed a threat to the US. Now we see it has become acceptable in the eyes of many to arrest a broader range of political enemies.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Not to mention getting put on Interpol's most wanted list before the proper arrest warrant was even issued, and being denied bail when Assange turned himself in as soon as the proper warrant was issued. And it sounds like the warrant is only saying he is to be questioned. It is not for an actual criminal charge.

And then there is having all your bank accounts frozen again, while no crime has been charged.

This guy is the most blatant political prisoner in the supposedly civil rights respecting Western countries. No country seems to have a law the guy broke. What will the public do if the US declares him an enemy combatant? Think there's enough sheeple to go along? Or are there enough people who are not asleep at the wheel who will raise public outrage over the US arresting a political dissident who hasn't broken any laws except maybe some quickly established copyright infringement Eric Holder drummed up? But that is a civil offense, not a criminal offense isn't it?

What specific crime has been committed? He refused to return the documents after being ordered by the US for him to do so. But he wasn't under US jurisdiction. Can the US charge a Chinese citizen for copyright infringement or counterfeiting products? I don't think so.
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Do you have a link what Holder said about copyright infringement? Because thati s, well, the most ridiculous chare I heard thus far. According to US law, documents produced by the US government are not copyrighted! :D
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
This is absolute nonsense to actually take these charges seriously and not see them as totally trumped up. You can believe what you want. I think is a farce.
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You're right. We should never believe sluts who claim they were raped.
 
ddt said:
Do you have a link what Holder said about copyright infringement? Because thati s, well, the most ridiculous chare I heard thus far. According to US law, documents produced by the US government are not copyrighted! :D
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I think his "insurance file" possibly opens him up to blackmail charges, where no other charge could have been pressed by the US. Oh, the irony!
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Sure, but there needs to be a specific law they suspect you violated.

That's quite different from waiting for the US to make a law up or declare the guy to be a enemy combatant.

This is exactly why it was so dangerous when Bush started up Gitmo and locked people up that supposedly posed a threat to the US. Now we see it has become acceptable in the eyes of many to arrest a broader range of political enemies.
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Generally, there are enough laws that you CAN tell the AG to "find something to charge him with" and he can find something that will pass muster. If nothing else, they may have him on espionage changes.

http://frwebgate3.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/TEXTgate.cgi?WAISdocID=ToUhlM/14/1/0&WAISaction=retrieve

a)(1) Any person subject to this chapter who, with intent or reason
to believe that it is to be used to the injury of the United States or
to the advantage of a foreign nation, communicates, delivers, or
transmits, or attempts to communicate, deliver, or transmit, to any
entity described in paragraph (2), either directly or indirectly,
anything described in paragraph (3) shall be punished as a court-martial
may direct, except that if the accused is found guilty of an offense
that directly concerns (A) nuclear weaponry, military spacecraft or
satellites, early warning systems, or other means of defense or
retaliation against large scale attack, (B) war plans, (C)
communications intelligence or cryptographic information, or (D) any
other major weapons system or major element of defense strategy, the
accused shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-
martial may direct.
(2) An entity referred to in paragraph (1) is--
(A) a foreign government;
(B) a faction or party or military or naval force within a
foreign country, whether recognized or unrecognized by the United
States; or
(C) a representative, officer, agent, employee, subject, or
citizen of such a government, faction, party, or force.
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If that's all he did it doesn't really look like rape. But who knows? That's what a trial is for.
 
Aparantly Ms Ardin has some very interesting connections from her past;
"One of the women that is accusing WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange of sex crimes appears to have worked with a group that has connections to the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)"

assange-rape-accuser-cia-ties/

Not a great source, but the news did not originate there, and is much more widespread than i had anticipated (google it ;) ), just thought it was a well written summary of the current situation.

Personally i still doubt that we're dealing with an actual "sex trap" here, swedish sexual offense laws are a joke (not in a good way), but then again, that does make a sex trap placed in sweden the perfect place to place a sex trap, where in the past mere accusation has proven to be enough to find you guilty of rape*.

Also found this interesting post, Assange - the inside story about the rape charges

* Source, source (in swedish, use google translate :) ).
 
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WildCat said:
I think his "insurance file" possibly opens him up to blackmail charges, where no other charge could have been pressed by the US. Oh, the irony!
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This is where I think he made his mistake...I hope.
 
I don't care for Assange. I think he's a bit of a hypocrite and just looks smug.

But I'm not comfortable with him being gotten for some trumped up thing about unprotected sex. If someone is going to get him for espionage or blackmail then they need to charge him with that and arrest him for that.

This circus act is annoying.
 
The more I hear the more I am sure that this has been totally set up, by Assange and his supporters. They couldn't have bought this sort of publicity.
 
a_unique_person said:
The charges have now been dropped to 'unexpected sex', whatever that is, which is only punishable with a fine. Not the thing you would expect to get interpol on the job for.
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There's a fine for that?
I'm so grateful that I pay for it!
 
He is accused by the Swedish authorities of one count of unlawful coercion, two counts of sexual molestation and one count of rape, all alleged to have been committed in August 2010.
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And just in hell is anyone on the Internet going to have anything but an uninformed and more than likely specious opinion on this?
None of us were there!
 
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