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Julia Gillard - liar

MG1962 said:
Well gee wiz that makes it so much better doesn't it
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That was not my point and you know it.
However AUP was making Jones seem doubly heartless by making it appear as though Jones was defending his comments.

Jones has made a public apology today and says he will make a private one to the PM also.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-30/jones-apologises-for-black-parody-remarks/4288118

Jones was wrong to make the comments on her father, but he was right about one thing; Gillard is a liar.
 
A.A. Alfie said:
That was not my point and you know it.
However AUP was making Jones seem doubly heartless by making it appear as though Jones was defending his comments.

Jones has made a public apology today and says he will make a private one to the PM also.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-30/jones-apologises-for-black-parody-remarks/4288118

Jones was wrong to make the comments on her father, but he was right about one thing; Gillard is a liar.
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Jones said he thought it was a private function and was unaware there were journalists in the room.

From your article - and it bedevils me how that is black parody of anything. And your cheap shot didn't go through to the keeper either
 
A.A. Alfie said:
Jones said that in the same speech as he made the ugly remarks - not after the apology from the Liberal Club, which is what you seem to be implying here.
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The word apology should be put in scare quotes since they declared it a "brilliant speech" before they deleted that missive and apologised.
 
MG1962 said:
From your article - and it bedevils me how that is black parody of anything. And your cheap shot didn't go through to the keeper either
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It wasn't supposed to.

Jones' comments were both heartless and in poor taste.

I feel sorry for her about her dad, anyone would. But that is only one aspect of her life. She is a world famous liar - and that is the topic of the thread, not how we should feel sorry for her because she is grieving.

btw, I don't understand the 'black parody' remark. In the lead up to the distasteful comments he said she was a liar and that all of caucus knew it (owtte) - it didn't come from the ABC article.
Or have I missed/misunderstood something?
 
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a_unique_person said:
No, I wasn't.
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I will take your word for it - but it sure as hell looked like you were.


Did you see that Swan and Gillard have our superannuation under discussion in an effort to attain their promised ("no if, no buts") surplus?

Sounds like a vote winner to me. ;)
 
A.A. Alfie said:
btw, I don't understand the 'black parody' remark. In the lead up to the distasteful comments he said she was a liar and that all of caucus knew it (owtte) - it didn't come from the ABC article.
Or have I missed/misunderstood something?
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I cant find the article it was mentioned in, but he says the comment was first passed at a function for his god son and he used it as black parody. I get my news from www.news.com.au and they don't appear to archive the stories they use from other sources
 
So much for an apology. In this article he lets us know how much he really means it, which is not at all. It's all Gillards' fault, when he really thinks about it.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/an-apology-tempered-by-anger/story-fndo317g-1226484901731

Prime Minister Julia Gillard was entitled to an apology, which I publicly offered and repeated yesterday.

My attempts to deliver it personally to her were in vain.

She declined to take my call.

The comments which should not be repeated here were in bad taste.

But party talk of the prime minister's untruths is a measure of real anger out there about Gillard's persistent and unapologetic breach of public trust.

On top of the carbon tax and asylum seeker broken promises, the taxpayer now sees ballooning debt.

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The jokes and the songs were all, understandably, about a Labor government which has not only dishonoured promises on so many issues, but also has stood democracy on its head by telling the voting public what it believes is good for them.

I rose to speak at 10.10pm in this atmosphere.

Wrongly, I repeated the offending remarks.

And there could be no justification for that.

That said, there are other issues at work here.
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Yes well, that said, he then diverges onto other issues. He just can't say sorry and shut up.
 
a_unique_person said:
So much for an apology.
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He did apologise for his comments, what else does he need to do?

a_unique_person said:
In this article he lets us know how much he really means it, which is not at all. It's all Gillards' fault, when he really thinks about it.
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Um, that's not what he said at all.

a_unique_person said:
Yes well, that said, he then diverges onto other issues. He just can't say sorry and shut up.
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Is there some rule that says he has to? He apologised for the part that he needed to and explained others. i.e:
- Sorry for the remarks about your dad, they were inappropriate and there is "no justification" for that.
- I do not resile from the "liar" comments, because you are one. :boggled:
 
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A.A. Alfie said:
He did apologise for his comments, what else does he need to do?



Um, that's not what he said at all.



Is there some rule that says he has to? He apologised for the part that he needed to and explained others. i.e:
- Sorry for the remarks about your dad, they were inappropriate and there is "no justification" for that.
- I do not resile from the "liar" comments, because you are one. :boggled:
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Quite. He's says sorry, then in the very same article says something derogatory about her. Not really a convincing way to make an apology. He also makes it clear he's not too happy that she won't take his call. I mean to say, who does she think she is?
 
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oh ffs. He apologised for what he had to but made sure that his underlying point was not lost in the mix.

Just wondering - has she apologised for any of her lies? Or has she simply justified them all along the way. I think you will find it the latter.

She tells big fat lies time and again without remorse nor concern.

Please keep on topic.
 
MG1962 said:
I cant find the article it was mentioned in, but he says the comment was first passed at a function for his god son and he used it as black parody. I get my news from www.news.com.au and they don't appear to archive the stories they use from other sources
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Here it is. From Alfies link. The alleged apology.

"When people feel a sense of frustration and they don't feel as they have got anywhere else to turn, they then, I suppose, adopt this black parody which I, foolishly with my experience, shouldn't have repeated," he said.
"I spoke without notes for 58 minutes, I have no idea the material that I covered.
"I just say it as I see it. It was a raucous night and everyone was into it. But that's not an explanation, not an excuse."
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-30/jones-apologises-for-black-parody-remarks/4288118

"To even offer any impression that I might seek to diminish the grief that a daughter would feel for her father, independently who that daughter might be, is unacceptable," he said.
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All this says to me is that he finds it unacceptable that anyone would "offer the impression" that he would mean what he said.
The only way anyone could reasonably argue that the "apology" was actually an apology, is that the waffling contains the word apologise. Once.

"As I said, those comments shouldn't have been repeated. I don't regret that; I apologise for that."
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He makes it clear here that he's not apologising for what he said, but that he regrets the fact it was repeated.

As for his claim that he didn't know that there were jounalists present. Come off it. Did he really believe that there were no journalists at a Political party function?
That would be a first.
I think what he should have said, is that he didn't think any of the journalists present would have the temerity to repeat his disgusting diatribe.
 
A.A. Alfie said:
oh ffs. He apologised for what he had to but made sure that his underlying point was not lost in the mix.

Just wondering - has she apologised for any of her lies? Or has she simply justified them all along the way. I think you will find it the latter.

She tells big fat lies time and again without remorse nor concern.

Please keep on topic.
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So the topic is "Julia Gillard is a big fat liar", and anything else is off topic? :confused:
 
A.A. Alfie said:
oh ffs. He apologised for what he had to but made sure that his underlying point was not lost in the mix.

Just wondering - has she apologised for any of her lies? Or has she simply justified them all along the way. I think you will find it the latter.

She tells big fat lies time and again without remorse nor concern.

Please keep on topic.
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Your constant tying together of two unrelated issues is getting tiresome. Jones has been on a personal crusade against the Prime Minister for years, remember he was the one responsible for suggesting the PM should be killed.

And cut the moral outrage about Gillard being a liar. Show me a politician who wasn't or a PM who didn't get caught out. Howard lied through his teeth, and Hawke before him got caught out just as often
 
Some points from Greg Hunt (abridged)

"First, the ALP has been consistently silent about the language of hate and abuse from various left-wing commentators.

Journalist Mungo MacCallum: John Howard is an "unflushable turd"

Marieke Hardy on Brendan Nelson, “glass the ****’s wife and their children because they don’t deserve to procreate and have any children themselves”.

This was accompanied by a demand for the genital mutilation of Tony Abbott.

Hardy again (in the Drum) calling for Christopher Pyne to be raped by a dog.

Catherine Deveny after appearing on Q&A tweeted of a Coalition frontbencher and family man who appeared on the same panel, “he has the face of a rapist”.

From ALP frontbenchers themselves.

The Prime Minister’s Cabinet Secretary, Mark Dreyfus, wrote an opinion piece for The Sydney Morning Herald comparing Abbott to a Nazi war criminal.

Silence from the left on all these issues

Sauce.... goose .... gander?

I do not condone what Jones said, nor do any of the above. But let's just keep a little balance here, shall we? The man said a stupid thing off the cuff and has explained himself.

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Edited for Rule 10. Profanity must be completely masked in the public section.
 
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We could also talk about Bob Ellis (a Labor speech writer and close friend of Bob Carr) who said of Gillard on her fathers death:

“She fled an important conference, and a meeting with Hillary Clinton, because three of her soldiers had died by gunfire in a war, and went not to the warfront but Canberra. She fled an important conference, and a meeting with Vladimir Putin, because her father had died at 83, and fled home weeping to Adelaide.

“The doctrine of ‘Gillard Exceptionalism’ should now be abandoned. She should either do the job, or get out of it."…
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