Split Thread Judy Wood and dustification

jammonius said:
hokulele,

You are engaging in the conduct of a classic scoundrel, you know the Ben Johnson quote, right? Shame on you for your mock indignation. You don't have any more or any less right to claim empathy for the victims of 9/11 than I do and I won't allow you to make that claim.

By dressing yourself in sympathy for the victims you are using them to try to dodge coming to grips with what happened to them. After all, what happened to them has never been properly explained, and that is the point that is being made here.

So, no, indeed. You don't represent victims and you are not more sympathetic to them than I am and calling attention to the false explanations about what was done to them is, in fact, the right and proper thing to do.

How dare you engage in mock sympathy. That is a cheap, nasty trick.
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I can. I personally know people that died in that tower.

You are a crass and disrespectfull liar. You are no better than the terrorists who hijacked the planes, and killed ~3000 people.

To put it bluntly, I think that what you have posted, and what you have said, are completly disrespectful.

I personally hate you.
 
So let me get this straight: It was silent explosives with a nano-thermite fuse ignited by a space beam. Did I get it right?
 
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jammonius said:
Dear Big Al,

I am going to make an effort here to reach out for common ground.

Would that include common sense as well?

With that frame of reference in mind, one of the outreach issues presented by the DEW assertion is that in the absence of a clear understanding as to what destroyed the WTC, it is not possible to come to grips with the medical effects that were caused.

Do you suffer from too much stress? Stress causes the mind to think up irrational thoughts. You're being stressful because you know you're wrong about everything.

I also mentioned the Directed Energy Professional Society (DEPS) and the AFRL's Directed Energy Directorate.

Did you watch "Pure Geniuses" too many times?

An outreach effort desperately needs to made by respiratory sufferers to the directed energy community with the aim in view of EXPLORING whether, just for the sake of, say, research, the medical effects might be consistent with the lethality effects of certain types of DEW. Obviously this has to be done very carefully and thoughtfully for reasons I don't think I have to spell out.

There is no evidence that a DEW can cause particules to be in the lungs of people, since DEW's don't exist in space.

Can that hurt? After all, no one knows what causes the illnesses that many are suffering from, all as so plainly stated by Dr. Moline, as quoted above.

You're not a doctor, so why do you bother?
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BigAl said:
That's dust. The picture below is very similar to the result of the UV flash from a beam weapon. This is why people that weld wear UV goggles and protective clothing.

Nothing like that was seen in any hospital on 9/11.

Source: Samuel Glasstone, The Effects of Nuclear Weapons, 1962, Revised 1964, U.S. Dept of Defense and U.S. Dept of Energy.
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That dust that you point to Big Al is a true enigma. Thank you for calling attention to it. What is seen is almost certainly further evidence of DEW because what is seen is indicative of a form of molecular dissociation.

Here's the deal, Big Al:

Fine dust settles last, not first. The fine dust is coming FROM the ground, and not from the air. The photograph is, in fact, in need of further technical analysis. It was probably brought to NIST'S attention by Dr. Wood, but, unfortunately, NIST hadn't investigated that part of the incident and so they could not comment.

But, the photograph is a perfect illustration as to why it was egregiously fraudulent NOT to have investigated the full incident.

Once again, Big Al, that "dust" is too fine to be where it is; and, to the extent it is dust, it should not be there doing what it is seen to be doing. That, at least, is an expressed concern, for which no official investigation has any answer at all.
 
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jammonius said:
That dust that you point to Big Al is a true enigma. Thank you for calling attention to it. What is seen is almost certainly further evidence of DEW because what is seen is indicative of a form of molecular dissociation.

Here's the deal, Big Al:

Fine dust settles last, not first. The fine dust is coming FROM the ground, and not from the air. The photograph is, in fact, in need of further technical analysis. It was probably brought to NIST'S attention by Dr. Wood, but, unfortunately, NIST hadn't investigated that part of the incident and so they could not comment.

But, the photograph is a perfect illustration as to why it was egregiously fraudulent NOT to have investigated the full incident.

Once again, Big Al, that "dust" is too fine to be where it is; and, to the extent it is dust, it should not be there doing what it is seen to be doing. That, at least, is an expressed concern, for which no official investigation has any answer at all.
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DEW this, DEW that, when are you gonna say that it was Mountain Dew & then shut the hell up?

Human skin is what causes dust in homes. Did a DEW make our skin shed?? You know nothing about dust!
 
Macgyver1968 said:
Yeah...but Stundie's have to come from somewhere.
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LOL!
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Jammonius is Stundie Central!
 
jammonius said:
... Once again, Big Al, that "dust" is too fine to be where it is; and, to the extent it is dust, it should not be there doing what it is seen to be doing. That, at least, is an expressed concern, for which no official investigation has any answer at all.
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But hearsay made up by you about dust is not evidence is a delusion in your case made up due to a substantial lack of knowledge in the sciences. How did you get out of school with zero knowledge in science? Sorry, but your post proves you are lacking in science! Big time.
 
Dr. Wood proposes a beam weapon capable of turning steel into dust instantly. There is no energy known to science that can do this. You might be able to vaporize steel with a laser, but there's no energy we know of that can break molecular bonds without adding any significant heat.

Just for a second...let's all put on our "Evil Villain" hats, and imagine what we could do with DEW technology like this. A beam weapon that dustifies steel, but doesn't kill people. We not only have a working prototype, but a fully functional "mega" sized weapon, capable of bringing down buildings. Think of the potential....tank armor is now irrelevant.....you could definitively put one on a ship with a nuclear reactor...it could completely change naval warfare...like you could keep something like that secret.
 
jammonius said:
Dear Big Al,

I am going to make an effort here to reach out for common ground. I am not here seeking to win an argument, score a point, make you look bad or anything like that. Let me repeat: I am here seeking common ground and discussion on something we can both agree needs attention, care and thoughtful cooperation.

With that frame of reference in mind, one of the outreach issues presented by the DEW assertion is that in the absence of a clear understanding as to what destroyed the WTC, it is not possible to come to grips with the medical effects that were caused.

I have come across the name of Dr. Jacqueline Moline, Director of the WTC Medical Program:

[qimg]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/09/07/nyregion/07sinai.600.jpg[/qimg]

Is it your understanding that program is being starved for funds? What is its current status?

Anyway, the issue of not knowing what actually happened is almost certainly a factor in the inability to properly treat those who are suffering. For her part, Dr. Moline recognizes and acknowledges the mysterious nature of the toxicology:

"Among the many points that Dr. Moline made, the first was that the 9/11 rescue and recovery workers “are patients not victims”. Dr. Moline’s second point was in reference to the toxicants and toxicant exposure as she said that it is “always difficult to prove the cause of an issue with a toxicant. Science is bad about mixed exposure and this was a completely unknown mixture”. Dr. Moline further stated that there absolutely was no and there is “no literature about this yet, it is a total new thing”. Despite the fact that ‘we do known the constituents’ there is ‘NO preexisting evidence’”. From a scientific and medical standpoint this is clearly a novel, complicated situation riddled with issues."

I have elsewhere posted up the suggestion that posters look into some of the companies that manufacture, develop and test directed energy weapons, including their lethal effects. I named two companies in particular:

SAIC and ARA.

I also mentioned the Directed Energy Professional Society (DEPS) and the AFRL's Directed Energy Directorate.

An outreach effort desperately needs to made by respiratory sufferers to the directed energy community with the aim in view of EXPLORING whether, just for the sake of, say, research, the medical effects might be consistent with the lethality effects of certain types of DEW. Obviously this has to be done very carefully and thoughtfully for reasons I don't think I have to spell out.

What I am aware of, however, is that the US Directed Energy Directorate was not at all offended by Dr. Wood's outreach to them and to her claim that DEW destroyed the WTC. So, an inroad already exists as a matter of record, could more folks but realize it.

Once again, Big Al, the concern her is for the medical treatment of people who are suffering, for whom there are no answers, as yet.

Can that hurt? After all, no one knows what causes the illnesses that many are suffering from, all as so plainly stated by Dr. Moline, as quoted above.
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Does Dr. Jacqueline Moline say that anything but breathing the air causes what her patients have? Call her up and ask her.

Please give me a link to the full text for Dr. Moline's quote. I suspect it's been cherry-picked.

Ask Tri and the other firemen about the level of care provided by the WTC program. Start a thread. You'll get first-hand answers.

The math associated with energy levels for directed weapons makes the idea of dustfifation by DEW stupid and physically impossible. That's the only word for it. Mackey has done an excellent job of showing the math and the numbers. My university physics says he's right. Nothing you have posted has done anything so show any errors in his work. I can't find common ground with "physically impossible".

DEW weapons cause injuries consistent with those shown in Glasstone which include being blinded. I live where more survivors of WTC live than anywhere else. There was not an increase in white canes and seeing-eye dogs after 9/11. The hospitals counted no injuries consistent with those described in Glasstone. I was an eyewitness to some of the morning at WTC. I saw nothing consistent with Glasstone or with a big arc welder, either. I can't find common ground with things I have no evidence for. YOu have provided no evidence.

All the medical problems recorded by the The Mount Sinai WTC Program Clinical Center and related institutions are explained by breathing the air at WTC. Nothng you've quoted from the Dr. changes that. None of them are explained by the UV exposure that is a fundamental aspect of melting steel to the point of dustification.


You are welcome to find common ground with those facts.

I can't find common ground with ignorance.

Samuel Glasstone, The Effects of Nuclear Weapons, 1962, Revised 1964, U.S. Dept of Defense and U.S. Dept of Energy.
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jammonius said:
From a scientific and medical standpoint this is clearly a novel, complicated situation riddled with issues.
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For those following at home, add this to the truther dictionary:

"We have never before seen the effects on people's lungs of the collapse of two skyscrapers filled with everybody's stuff."

EQUALS

"The buildings were destroyed by a brand new weapon nobody has ever seen before."
 
jammonius, this is for you

Your fixation on something you call DEW at WTC is shown to be stupid because none of the reports of the dust in the air shows any significant steel dust or chemical compounds of iron that would be a product of dustification by energy beam.

The dust is consistent with lots of busted up sheetrock and concrete, all mixed with smoke from the massive fires. This is consistent with what the medical statistics compiled by the hospitals show.

I have this citation. I know there are others.

T. Waza et al. in “Laboratory Simulation of Planetesimal Collision 2. Ejecta Velocity Distribution” Journal of Geophysical Research 90(B2), 1995 (1985).

These and similar studies show that the ejection of debris by impact fragmentation of brittle materials such as concrete is due to the release of strain energy from rapid compressive loading. In addition, experimental data show that, with the exception of very fine material, ejecta velocities are less than impact velocities, and only a fraction of the total elastic strain energy stored in a material up to the point of the initiation of fragmentation appears as fragment kinetic energy. From these observations it is not difficult to develop a formalism relating the kinetic energy of fragments ejected by hard impact on a brittle material such as concrete, to the energy initially delivered to a bulk sample of the material. Thus, in the case of the WTC collapse, a concrete fragment distribution may be derived. This distribution proves to be quite consistent with data for the debris field at or near Ground Zero post 9/11.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2784071#post2784071
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total nonsense

jammonius said:
... An outreach effort desperately needs to made by respiratory sufferers to the directed energy community with the aim in view of EXPLORING whether, just for the sake of, say, research, the medical effects might be consistent with the lethality effects of certain types of DEW. Obviously this has to be done very carefully and thoughtfully for reasons I don't think I have to spell out. ...
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Has to be one of the most anti-intellectual paragraphs on 911. How can you make up such a stupid statement? Does it take practice? You repeat this feat of posting junk ideas on 911 without effort with each post of stupid ideas on 911 you make here at a skeptics forum. Your ideas are the stuff of moronic fiction and lack basic evidence, logic, and are not based on knowledge but complete ignorance, willful ignorance of science.
 
The NWO will have to eliminate you now that you've revealed the true use of the Seawolf class submarine MacGuyver. I hope that your insurance is up to date and that all of your affairs are in order...
 
Macgyver1968 said:
Damnit...can I just chomp on my cyanide tooth?
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No. They will have to develop an overly complicated plot involving many more people than necessary while leaving damning "clues" for internet sleuths to discover. You know, the standard drill. You are not allowed to use the "Occam" pill in your tooth. You were only given that as a distraction to the real plot.
 
jammonius said:
macgyver,

Are you sure you want to go down the seismic data path? If so, please state your assumptions about what sort of seismic signal should be created by the <10 second, near onto total annihilation of 110 story steel skyscrapers and a 47 story skyscraper.

regards
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Jemmonius, Please illustrate for us what sort of seismic signal you would think should be recorded from debris not reaching the ground and turning to dust mid air. You cannot have it both ways. You claim no debris, therefore, no signal. Yet there it is, in all its glory. Quoted in your post.


You have also failed to demonstrate steel being "dustified" in a laboratory.
 
It has been clearly established that NIST did not investigate the actual destruction of the WTC complex. Posters here may not like to admit that, but they do admit it, nonetheless.

Posters here are adamant in their opposition to the DEW explanation but refuse, utterly, to investigate the nature and the extent of the involvement of SAIC and of ARA with such weapons.

Posters here have no curiosity whatsoever about the Directed Energy Professional Society, let alone DEPS' rather extensive libary of DEW information and links to the cream of the military-industrial-complex.

Posters here are ignorant of Dwight David Eisenhower's admonition to beware of the MIC.

Posters here will not even avail themselves of the public resources of the US Directed Energy Directorate, located at Kirtland AFB in Albuquerque or its affiliate branches at Wright Patterson AFB and at other locations.

Big Al has requested a link to the excerpt from Dr. Moline and I am pleased to provide that:

http://www.onearth.org/node/1719

I do not expect Big Al to mention the assertion that the possibility that DEW destroyed the WTC to Dr. Moline, because Big Al wants to be thought of as normal and natural, so it's alright with him if physicians remain baffled by the illness etiologies they are seeing.

So, posters, the votes have been tabulated. No one here has the foggiest clue what destroyed the WTC and no officially determined, valid investigatory outcome they can point to that provides one iota of information as to what destroyed the WTC complex.

But, posters here know it wasn't DEW and everyone has confirmed how sane they are and how content they are with not knowing what destroyed the WTC, to boot.

Have I described the existing state of bliss, posters?
 
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