Judd v. Obama (Orly Taitz)

Just when you think she can get no crazier in her "quixotic" or "Sisyphean" quest to prove reality wrong, she goes ahead with a whole new level of crazy.
 
Alice in Wonderland

The whole strategy is upside down and backwards. The witness (Mr.Irey) is asked if he ever visited Hawaii to view the original for comparison. He says he did indeed make the attempt, but was prohibited from viewing the original. How anyone could prove the difference in an original to a copy without the original is Alice in Wonderland jurisprudence. It is Obama who should be charged with proving the veracity of the copy he claims is valid by releasing the original. The COLB was, in fact, very properly not accepted as evidence in the Indiana court.
 
The whole strategy is upside down and backwards. The witness (Mr.Irey) is asked if he ever visited Hawaii to view the original for comparison. He says he did indeed make the attempt, but was prohibited from viewing the original. How anyone could prove the difference in an original to a copy without the original is Alice in Wonderland jurisprudence. It is Obama who should be charged with proving the veracity of the copy he claims is valid by releasing the original. The COLB was, in fact, very properly not accepted as evidence in the Indiana court.
Yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah is still your argument? It gets sillier with each retelling, retooling and goal post moving. Just make sure you vote on tuesday!:)
 
The whole strategy is upside down and backwards. The witness (Mr.Irey) is asked if he ever visited Hawaii to view the original for comparison. He says he did indeed make the attempt, but was prohibited from viewing the original. How anyone could prove the difference in an original to a copy without the original is Alice in Wonderland jurisprudence. It is Obama who should be charged with proving the veracity of the copy he claims is valid by releasing the original. The COLB was, in fact, very properly not accepted as evidence in the Indiana court.

Robert, whatever Paul Irey said does not matter.

If you want to discuss this further (i.e., the COLB), then this is not the place.
 
The whole strategy is upside down and backwards. The witness (Mr.Irey) is asked if he ever visited Hawaii to view the original for comparison.

Irrelevant, since he was not qualified as an expert in the authentication of documents. This is why his testimony was stricken. You cherry-picked one sentence out of the ruling and ignored the rest of the judge's ruling stating that none of Orly Taitz' witnesses gave anything that could be admitted as expert testimony.
 
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Irrelevant, since he was not qualified as an expert in the authentication of documents. This is why his testimony was stricken. You cherry-picked one sentence out of the ruling and ignored the rest of the judge's ruling stating that none of Orly Taitz' witnesses gave anything that could be admitted as expert testimony.

Mr. Irey was accepted as an expert witness on typesetting. If he had been allowed do view the original, he could have testified as to a comparison of the type faces and spacings. Your sweeping denial of the court's acceptance of his expertise is false.

The entire hearing is based on Queen of Hearts logic. The witness must have viewed the original, but is prevented from viewing the original. Thus, "Off with their heads!"
 
Mr. Irey was accepted as an expert witness on typesetting.

I covered this at length in two previous posts.

If the presenting attorney does an adequate job of establishing that the witness has expertise in some field, he may be asked questions pertaining to that expertise, as opposed to a lay witness who may only testify about what he rationally perceived by means of his five senses. This occurred in Irey's case; Taitz was permitted to ask him questions pertaining to typesetting.

However, the subsequent testimony must still satisfy the rest of the rules that pertain to expert testimony. Those rules cannot be applied until the testimony is actually rendered, whereupon the trier of fact may conclude after the fact whether the testimony was appropriate. This did not occur in Irey's case; the trier of fact rejected his testimony.

You and Taitz seem to have this odd fantasy that expert witnesses are somehow blessed by the court, whereafter everything they say is some sort of gospel. Neither of you understands the law, and in your case this deficiency goes all the way back to your abandoned JFK thread where you dismissed the federal rules of expert testimony as "just [my] opinion." You cannot stomp and whine when judges dismiss your cases if you flagrantly disregard the applicable laws. Neither of you understands that the ultimate acceptance of expert testimony occurs at the end of the trial, not when the testimony is given.

Judge Reid, after reviewing Irey's testimony, concluded that it failed to meet two important criteria of expert testimony: 1. that the witness testify within the scope of his expertise, and 2. that the witness base his conclusions on sound and acceptable methodologies. Reid found that Irey failed to do both of those. He testified instead on the forensic authentication of documents, and he simply made up a method that he said would tell real copies from fake. Hence Irey's testimony was found to be inapplicable and was stricken.

Learn how the law works.

If he had been allowed do view the original, he could have testified as to a comparison of the type faces and spacings.

No. First, your claim is supposition. You have no idea what Irey would or would not have done.

Second, the question under cross examination showed that Irey was instead working on convenience copies of the certificate. Instead Irey purported that he could determined the validity of the document from this convenience source. The defense attorneys simply helped him step into the gaping hole in his method.

Your sweeping denial of the court's acceptance of his expertise is false.

No, the court ultimately rejected his expertise as unfounded an irrelevant! Did you even read the ruling, Robert?

I gave a lengthy legal analysis here, and a lengthy technical analysis in the moderated thread. You were absent from both of those, apparently scouring the supermarket tabloids for your next arguments. If you'd now like to address the subject, answer those posts.
 
Not wanting to miss out on last-second litigation, Cody Robert Judy joins in. And it's a zinger.

My favourite section is this:
If that‘s too much to ask for, or for some God forsaken reason is too beneath the Justices of the Court to consider worthy their devout consideration, then Petitioner prays to God with the fervent religious sentiment and protections granted him to do so, that every one of those Cowardice Bastards of Hell will be slaughtered in the disrespectful way in which they have treated their offices, and that in every orifice of their body, a copy of the Constitution will be stuffed, that through the timeless eternities of the after-life they may gaze down upon their bodies and always remember the reasons that they met such gruesome fate. They simply didn‘t take seriously enough their jobs, and that rather than resign their duties to worthy and choice men and women, they chose of their own freewill and volition to desecrate the highest office of the land, protected by the Supreme Law of the Land, scratching their memories into the annals of history as DOMETIC ENEMIES of the United States of America.
Because threatening the Supreme Court is going to work so well :rolleyes:
 
Yeah, watch out for those DOMETIC enemies.
 
I feel that writ will be treated in the same manner as that of the ex-CF lawyer who tries to file actions with the On. Superior Crt of Justice and the Federal Court referring to either the Chief Justice of Ontario as a "whiskey-faced scumbag" or Chief Judge of the Federal Court as being a "liar".

Winning friends and influencing people - learn how to.
 
Not wanting to miss out on last-second litigation, Cody Robert Judy joins in. And it's a zinger...
It's chock-full of the incompetent, slobbering hysteria that so well represents pretty much everything the poor crazy birthers say and do.

Were I inclined to vote for Romney - and I am not saying who I am inclined to vote for - I'd still be tempted to vote for Obama simply for four more years of the sheer entertainment value provided by these loons.
 
Were I inclined to vote for Romney - and I am not saying who I am inclined to vote for - I'd still be tempted to vote for Obama simply for four more years of the sheer entertainment value provided by these loons.
Well, Orly Taitz' ballot challenge down in Mississippi will continue on November 16th regardless of who wins anyway. That's the ballot challenge to the primary ballot. At that rate, they might get around to the General election ballot sometime in 2020... :rolleyes:
 
It's chock-full of the incompetent, slobbering hysteria that so well represents pretty much everything the poor crazy birthers say and do.

Were I inclined to vote for Romney - and I am not saying who I am inclined to vote for - I'd still be tempted to vote for Obama simply for four more years of the sheer entertainment value provided by these loons.

Ad hominem attack noted. Must be the best you can do.
 
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I covered this at length in two previous posts.

If the presenting attorney does an adequate job of establishing that the witness has expertise in some field, he may be asked questions pertaining to that expertise, as opposed to a lay witness who may only testify about what he rationally perceived by means of his five senses. This occurred in Irey's case; Taitz was permitted to ask him questions pertaining to typesetting.

However, the subsequent testimony must still satisfy the rest of the rules that pertain to expert testimony. Those rules cannot be applied until the testimony is actually rendered, whereupon the trier of fact may conclude after the fact whether the testimony was appropriate. This did not occur in Irey's case; the trier of fact rejected his testimony.

You and Taitz seem to have this odd fantasy that expert witnesses are somehow blessed by the court, whereafter everything they say is some sort of gospel. Neither of you understands the law, and in your case this deficiency goes all the way back to your abandoned JFK thread where you dismissed the federal rules of expert testimony as "just [my] opinion." You cannot stomp and whine when judges dismiss your cases if you flagrantly disregard the applicable laws. Neither of you understands that the ultimate acceptance of expert testimony occurs at the end of the trial, not when the testimony is given.

Judge Reid, after reviewing Irey's testimony, concluded that it failed to meet two important criteria of expert testimony: 1. that the witness testify within the scope of his expertise, and 2. that the witness base his conclusions on sound and acceptable methodologies. Reid found that Irey failed to do both of those. He testified instead on the forensic authentication of documents, and he simply made up a method that he said would tell real copies from fake. Hence Irey's testimony was found to be inapplicable and was stricken.

Learn how the law works.



No. First, your claim is supposition. You have no idea what Irey would or would not have done.

Second, the question under cross examination showed that Irey was instead working on convenience copies of the certificate. Instead Irey purported that he could determined the validity of the document from this convenience source. The defense attorneys simply helped him step into the gaping hole in his method.



No, the court ultimately rejected his expertise as unfounded an irrelevant! Did you even read the ruling, Robert?

I gave a lengthy legal analysis here, and a lengthy technical analysis in the moderated thread. You were absent from both of those, apparently scouring the supermarket tabloids for your next arguments. If you'd now like to address the subject, answer those posts.

Your "lengthy legal analysis" that no plaintiff experts were accepted by the court was false. Nuff said.
 

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