Jordan Peterson Event Report

[Guybrush Threepwood]

I would be very surprised if it was free.
But I would be curious to know how much a ticket costs, and what the range from First Row to Nosebleed is.

He seems to be pretty much sold out for this tour, but there are a few seats going in Seattle in Feb for $75 - $180 depending on location.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Why are you "curious"? I repeat the question to you; what conclusions are you hoping to draw?

I've recently been to a concert, and was interested to compare prices.

You seem to be desperate to find ulterior motives - what conclusions had you already drawn from the answer you expected?

 

[Norman Alexander]

What conclusions (or inferences) are you going to draw from the answer to that, what ever it may be?

I can multiply.

I would be very surprised if it was free.
But I would be curious to know how much a ticket costs, and what the range from First Row to Nosebleed is.

He seems to be pretty much sold out for this tour, but there are a few seats going in Seattle in Feb for $75 - $180 depending on location.

So say $100 on average. The 5000 seat venue would net him a cool half million dollars for that one event, less the cheap venue hire, of course.

How many events does he do in a week? A month? A year?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I can multiply.



So say $100 on average. The 5000 seat venue would net him a cool half million dollars for that one event, less the cheap venue hire, of course.

How many events does he do in a week? A month? A year?

and at basically zero cost - no need to a big crew or stage equipment.

 

[plague311]

Isn't Jordan Peterson that whiney douche that broke down crying when Olivia Wilde called him an Incel Hero? That was absolutely awesome to watch.

 

[IsThisTheLife]

Isn't Jordan Peterson that whiney douche that broke down crying when Olivia Wilde called him an Incel Hero? That was absolutely awesome to watch.

Equally, it's always fun watching all the betas here getting catty about some "nazi" or other.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Equally, it's always fun watching all the betas here getting catty about some "nazi" or other.

talking about alphas and betas is evidence of a very simplistic mindset.
Simple logic shows that everyone is a beta in almost every situation, because by definition there can be only one alpha - if wolf packs worked that way, which they don't.

 

[Manger Douse]

talking about alphas and betas is evidence of a very simplistic mindset.
Simple logic shows that everyone is a beta in almost every situation, because by definition there can be only one alpha - if wolf packs worked that way, which they don't.

I've only ever seen incels use it un-ironically this way

 

[Darat]

talking about alphas and betas is evidence of a very simplistic mindset.
Simple logic shows that everyone is a beta in almost every situation, because by definition there can be only one alpha - if wolf packs worked that way, which they don't.

And it is beyond non-scientific, literally into the land of urban fantasy.

 

[plague311]

Equally, it's always fun watching all the betas here getting catty about some "nazi" or other.

A thinly veiled whataboutism?

I didn't know it got more "beta" than crying, publicly, over a slight by an actress. If he's so alpha why does he need you here defending him?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I find it hilarious when right wingers say that they are "all Alphas".

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Jordan Peterson is certainly a captivating speaker by most accounts, and he is good at weaving his areas of professional interest into broader themes of philosophy and religion.

That said, I think that much of what he does say often evades scrutiny because of his charisma (some people will deny he is charismatic or wonder how anyone can think he is, but charisma is an odd quality that doesn't affect everyone the same way). One of his former colleagues at the University of Toronto said that if he was at a party, people would gather round him to listen to him regardless of what he said.

But, when someone does pin him down, as Sam Harris did on the subject of truth, a lot of his argument for the importance of "pragmatic truth" unravels under the glaringly obvious point that he is not arguing for truth, though he insists on calling it that, but some kind of shared fiction. Worth listening to. Harris and Peterson had a number of subsequent debates going back and forth where I think it becomes pretty clear that Peterson is in the game of "Jesus smuggling" as Douglas Murray characterized it (whether he agreed with the charge or not, I think Murray's term is accurate).

Also, I have heard him say that he is extremely precise in his language, but I dispute that. As with the Jesus smuggling, I think he seems to be pushing ideas that he does not always want to be seen as endorsing. He has often claimed that he did not say what he clearly did say, and which he insisted he did say. Here are some examples:

On ancient art depicting DNA, claiming that he really believes that coiled snakes really represented DNA then denying he believed it when asked about it, then admitting it to Dawkins and saying he had taken a lot of drugs and really believes that people who do so can see DNA with their own eyes (no, seriously!)

When asked by a nervous student about him defending hierachies, etc... denying that he has ever done so, rudely dismissing the student's nervous responses "Okay" etc... "NOT OKAY!" before then saying he defends hierachy, etc...

Essentially arguing that Russia were right to invade Ukraine because it represents the degenerate West. Then sneering about how nobody knows about the Holomodor [sic] (he means Holodomor - he repeated this in another video suggesting he really doesn't know the name himself.)

The beef diet (which his daughter promotes even though he himself claimed he needs for his particular genetic disease - though his wife is now on it suggesting he genetic justification does not hold).

The benzo addiction. I don't want to be mean about this, but it is odd that someone who preaches standing up straight and self-reliance got himself hooked on these pills.

He claimed that the physician who performed surgery on Elliot Page was a criminal. Then in a video justifying this, doubled down on the criminal accusation (meaning metaphorically presumably) saying something about how Nazi doctors were not criminals in Nazi Germany but were criminals none the less...

He's claimed, in conversation with Bret Weinstein that medical science has killed more people than it is saved. He then pointed out he has no idea if it is true, and it may not be true, but it may not not be true (this is the language expert, Jordan Peterson!).

He also followed Weinstein somewhat down the anti-vax path that Weinstein slid down.

Put it this way, if Jordan Peterson says something, it might be true, but it might not be true, and might not not be true. I wouldn't rely on him.

Jordan Peterson was a respected if obscure outside his field who sold his respect and integrity to sell a line of far right bs to gain notoriety. Eventually he came to believe his bs.

 

[TragicMonkey]

And it is beyond non-scientific, literally into the land of urban fantasy.

My theory is that it's sublimated sexual fantasy. Men evaluating their sexual value in relation to other men? Maybe up to a point that's not gay, but after a point it becomes quite gay indeed. And very fetishy.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

My theory is that it's sublimated sexual fantasy. Men evaluating their sexual value in relation to other men? Maybe up to a point that's not gay, but after a point it becomes quite gay indeed. And very fetishy.

Yep, it's the idea that "you are first in line to female X, because you are the alpha, and the others can have her when you are done".
Never consider that 'female x' might have her own opinion on the matter.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Yep, it's the idea that "you are first in line to female X, because you are the alpha, and the others can have her when you are done".
Never consider that 'female x' might have her own opinion on the matter.

Oh, I didn't mean that. I was thinking more about the "beta" males turning their admiration of "alpha" males into practice. You can, uh, find quite a lot of, uh, explorations of this theme on the internet these days. In photographs and videos. You may need to log in and prove your age to see the best of it.

 

[IsThisTheLife]

Personally I've paid only as much attention to Peterson as is forced on me by certain algorithms (i.e. YT). He has nothing revelatory to offer as far as I'm concerned. Does he have "followers" in the sense that could be called 'cult like'? I think probably yes, but arguably that's true of anyone who can pull large audiences just to hear them talk.

I've been to only a couple of such 'audiences' in my entire life (Noam Chomsky and Udo Erasmus, both back in the 90's) and both times the feeling I was left with was 'meh'. I can read, I don't need to bask in some guru's charisma to learn what they might have to teach me.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I've been to only a couple of such 'audiences' in my entire life (Noam Chomsky and Udo Erasmus, both back in the 90's) and both times the feeling I was left with was 'meh'. I can read, I don't need to bask in some guru's charisma to learn what they might have to teach me.

similar sentiment here

 

[smartcooky]

The prophet of incels...

... or profit off incels.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

... or profit off incels.

shameless bid for Pith nomination.

Nominated.

 

[smartcooky]

Jordan Peterson was a respected if obscure outside his field who sold his respect and integrity to sell a line of far right bs to gain notoriety. Eventually he came to believe his bs.

The natural complement to another utter douchebag, Katie Hopkins.