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Jon stewart on Crossfire

From Salon.com

I think you're a lot more fun on your show," said Tucker Carlson to "Crossfire" guest Jon Stewart this afternoon. "And I think you're as much of a dick on your show as on any other," Stewart shot back. It wasn't the faux avuncularity we've come to expect from Stewart on "The Daily Show" but there, of course, he's playing a role. Here he was himself -- and he wasn't buying any of it.

From the moment Stewart sat down he made no secret of how repugnant he found the show. In fact, he said to Carlson and co-host Paul Begala that he had been so hard on the show he felt it was his duty to come on and say to their faces what he has said to friends and in interviews. What he said was that their show was "hurting America," and he was being only slightly hyperbolic. Stewart told them that when America needed journalists to be journalists they had instead chosen to present theater.

Carlson, trying to affect an air of dry amusement that a comedian would presume to lecture him, important pundit that he is, but looking as if his bow-tie were about to start spinning, could barely contain his outrage. In an absolutely mind-boggling moment, Carlson tried to counter Stewart's criticism by pointing out that during John Kerry's recent appearance on "The Daily Show," Stewart asked the candidate softball questions. "If you want to measure yourself against a comedy show," Stewart said, "be my guest."

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"I thought you were going to be funny," Carlson said toward the end of the interview. Stewart responded, "No, I'm not going to be your monkey."
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Originally posted by Patrick
Jon Stewart is an uncivil thug ...
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Transference.

The internet is anonymous, whereas Stewart walked onto a TV show, maybe many kids were watching, and used Teresa Heinz language. As for myself, I deal with people on the level they are able to accomodate, from debate to pissing matches -- frequently here my opponents choose the latter.
 
He was whining about the lack of real debate, when in fact as Carlson pointed out he had Lurch on his show and tossed him softball, actually puff ball, questions.
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Patricia, you clueless moron, Stewart hosts a COMEDY show. Hint: It's on COMEDY Central. It is intended to be FUNNY, and it is. It's not intended to be hard-hitting - it is that sometimes too.

Crossfire is a NEWS show. Hint: it's on CNN - Cable NEWS Network. It should be the one asking all the hard-hitting questions. On top of that, Jon Stewart dislikes Robert Novak intensely (I know Novak wasn't there). In case this isn't sinking through your shrunken frontal lobe, Crossfire is set up AS A DEBATE SHOW. Stewart was complaining that it wasn't really a debate show so much as the two guys from each wing shilling for their respective sides. Once again, The Daily Show is a COMEDY SHOW. Thus, questions about ketchup, funny comments to guests, etc.

Jon Stewart is an uncivil thug, who apparently has taken lessons from Teresa Heinz-Dirtbag as to how to behave in public.
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Gratz - you have obviously been Hannitized. All she said was "shove it" - not even swearing. Dick Cheney told someone to go F himself during Congress. Did you forget about that Miss Manners-sanctioned event? George Bush called a reporter a "major A-hole" over a live mike to Cheney. Did this Emily Post wet dream slip your mind?

The internet is anonymous, whereas Stewart walked onto a TV show, maybe many kids were watching, and used Teresa Heinz language
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Don't you mean George Bush language? Heinz' language wasn't even foul!

By the way, I know you are a complete moronic troll when you suggest that any kids whatsoever would be caught dead watching a show like Crossfire. Please.
 
The Daily Show should ask tougher questions. A while back, they had Henry Kissinger on the show. One of the creators of the show later said that they should've said something like "Say, Dr. Kissinger, what about those 2 million dead Cambodians...?" The interviews with serious people are not especially funny anyway, so seeing them dance like monkeys would be an improvement with regards to humor. And occasionally, the Daily Show will do some serious questioning, (like with a politician supporting the "most liberal senator" thing) and it's generally funny.

Regardless, Jon Stweart was right in that, as a comedy show, their interviews should be held at a much lower standard than "real" news. He was also right that Crossfire is ultimately political theater which instead of seriously discussing issues just does the news equivalent of pro-wrestling.
 
Patricia, you clueless moron, Stewart hosts a COMEDY show. Hint: It's on COMEDY Central. It is intended to be FUNNY, and it is. It's not intended to be hard-hitting - it is that sometimes too.

Dorie Anne, even YOU can't be so stupid as not to realize that the boundary is blurred when people in a desperately close political race appear on ANY show. Like Lurch just stopped by for a few laughs? SUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEE. Linda Ronstadt's show was just for singing, but she converted it to politics. The academy awards is to award achievement for movie making, but Fat Uncle Tom White Boy Number One turned it to politics.

Crossfire is a NEWS show. Hint: it's on CNN - Cable NEWS Network.

Flash: CNN, the original LME propaganda stalwart has as much to do with news as your ear has to do with a bicycle! :)

It should be the one asking all the hard-hitting questions.

So since they aren't, according to the latest hollywood airbrain with a big mouth, he can accept an invitation offered in good faith by the producers and then spew profanity!

On top of that, Jon Stewart dislikes Robert Novak intensely (I know Novak wasn't there). In case this isn't sinking through your shrunken frontal lobe, Crossfire is set up AS A DEBATE SHOW. Stewart was complaining that it wasn't really a debate show so much as the two guys from each wing shilling for their respective sides.

NOBODY but YOU, Stewart, and maybe five other people in the country, all of whom are in "special" homes, think or ever thought it was a debate show, it's a TV show for pundits, some of whom have political connections, to shout their opinions at each other. It's not nor ever has been a place where show biz appeaser FOOLS can get on under false pretenses and then shout cuss words.
 
Dorian Gray said:
Gratz - you have obviously been Hannitized. All she said was "shove it" - not even swearing. Dick Cheney told someone to go F himself during Congress. Did you forget about that Miss Manners-sanctioned event?
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I'm not sure what the word to use for you is, but evidently you don't know what the issue with the "shove it" comment really was. She gave a speach where she improvised a little and called what the Bush campaign was doing "un-American". A reporter asked her what she meant by that term, she denied ever using the term and told him to shove it. She wasn't criticised for being too harsh, she was criticised for being flat-out wrong and for denying making statements that were caught on tape. Make of that what you will, but don't pretend that the issue is just an example of hipocracy on civility standards, because it's not.

As for Kerry on Stewart, I wouldn't expect him to get anything other than softball questions, you're quite correct that there's no reason for Stewart do do otherwise. But the fact that Kerry didn't even answer Stewart when he asked him if he went to Cambodia was pretty damning. Not having a pre-canned answer for that (which he HAD to expect from somewhere, even if not from Stewart) indicates that the Kerry campaign had some serious problems putting together a coherent story about his Vietnam service. Even if his service is spotless, that's a very bad indicator of the competence of those he surrounds himself with.
 
All she said was "shove it" - not even swearing.

"Shove it" means "Shove it up your ass", and carries the full conotation of the longer version. It's like saying some who says "Go F yourself" stays within the bounds of civility.
 
Patrick said:
All she said was "shove it" - not even swearing.

"Shove it" means "Shove it up your ass", and carries the full conotation of the longer version. It's like saying some who says "Go F yourself" stays within the bounds of civility.
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It can also mean, "Shove it up your nose". Mind you, you still think that 'degreed' is a vulgarism.
 
Jon Stewart is not some script-reading yahoo. He writes most of what he says, and his interviews show that he has the same kind of sharp, honed wit and knowledge that he displays on the Daily Show.

The facts of the matter are this:

The Daily Show is not a show about political commentary and debate. It is primarily a comedy show that just happens to have become one of the only reliable sources of political information lately.

Jon Stewart always throws softballs. Even when the AUDIENCE is hostile towards a guest, Stewart is always incredibly polite, and does his best to make his guests feel welcome.

What Stewart said on Hardball is true. The current news establishment is doing us a horrible disservice.

Why? How? Well, simple. Investigative journalism is expensive. Parroting politicians is cheap. Shows like Hardball, and other journal shows aren't really giving us the true story. The news has started giving us the words, but not acting as the filter it should. Now, I have been forced to go to smaller agencies (usually with some kind of agenda, which means I have to be on guard) to get the REAL story behind the words. I don't have the resources to do all the fact checking myself. Most Americans (and.. well people in general) do not have the ability to spend their lives figuring out if they are being lied too or not. We depend on the media, whose job it is to do this. Now, we have to do that job, or we wind up being mindless FoxNews viewers that have a completely distorted view of reality.

Hero worship aside, Stewart is a very smart man, with a very keen mind for politics and real news. Like his comedy or not (some people hate it, I like it most of the time), it is impossible to deny that at least that.
 
Dorian Gray said:
Patricia, you clueless moron, Stewart hosts a COMEDY show. Hint: It's on COMEDY Central. It is intended to be FUNNY, and it is. It's not intended to be hard-hitting - it is that sometimes too.
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Dorian, keep fighting the good fight, but you are wasting valuable internet bandwidth trying to educate certain clueless morons.

I am not calling them clueless morons (yes, you know who you are), as an ad hom, but as a logical deduction based on this and previous postings by them.

Charlie (Jon Stewart is funny, he makes me laugh) Monoxide
 
It can also mean, "Shove it up your nose". Mind you, you still think that 'degreed' is a vulgarism.

Yes, I still do, but that doesn't preclude me from quoting and commenting on the profanity of hollywood buffoons who imagine they have something of value to contribute to the political process, nor communicating with people here at the level they communicate, such as with Dorie Anne who thinks "ebonics" is english.
 
Dorian, keep fighting the good fight,

You think Dorie Anne providing straight lines for me is "fighting the good fight"??? :D
 
Dorie Anne, even YOU can't be so stupid as not to realize that the boundary is blurred when people in a desperately close political race appear on ANY show.
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It's a comedy show, Patrick. By the way, Bush appeared on Bill O'Vibrator's show. I don't see you complaining about that.

Linda Ronstadt's show was just for singing, but she converted it to politics.
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She's got the microphone. You don't like it, don't see her show. Hell, I wouldn't see her show in the first place.
NOBODY but YOU, Stewart, and maybe five other people in the country, all of whom are in "special" homes, think or ever thought it was a debate show, it's a TV show for pundits, some of whom have political connections, to shout their opinions at each other. It's not nor ever has been a place where show biz appeaser FOOLS can get on under false pretenses and then shout cuss words.
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Please tell me how you know jack squat about Crossfire since it's on such a liberal network.

I'm not sure what the word to use for you is, but evidently you don't know what the issue with the "shove it" comment really was. She gave a speach where she improvised a little and called what the Bush campaign was doing "un-American". A reporter asked her what she meant by that term, she denied ever using the term and told him to shove it. She wasn't criticised for being too harsh, she was criticised for being flat-out wrong and for denying making statements that were caught on tape. Make of that what you will, but don't pretend that the issue is just an example of hipocracy on civility standards, because it's not.
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Please don't pretend that "shove it" is somehow profanity and very very bad while "F yourself" and "major A-hole" are somehow NOT profanity and should be overlooked.

Also, please don't pretend that Cheney didn't deny that he ever said "pretty well determined" about the uranium thing, but was later busted on tape. You have a double standard of hypocrisy, Patrick. Admit it.

Kerry was in Cambodia. It's all over the net. You look it up. I don't have to ironically tell you that, do I?

"Shove it" means "Shove it up your ass", and carries the full conotation of the longer version. It's like saying some who says "Go F yourself" stays within the bounds of civility.
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Shove it means shove it. I never said it was uncivil. What I said was that you are a hypocrite for ONLY mentioning that Heinz said "shove it" without ALSO pointing out that Cheney said "Go F yourself" and Bush called a reporter a "major A-hole". In other words, there's plenty of uncivility on both sides, yet you can only see things through your one-sided glasses.

THIS is the kind of thing Stewart wants to see in journalism today:
SWIFT BOAT VETS DISCREDITED AGAIN

John Kerry's service in Vietnam has been a hot issue in the campaign for the presidency, with varying accounts of his actions during the war. Nightline talked to Vietnamese villagers who witnessed the battle that earned him a Silver Star. Members of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth group have charged that the Viet Cong fighter was a teenager who was alone, who was not part of a numerically superior force, and who was already wounded and running away when Kerry shot him. John O'Neill, who was hired by Nixon back in '71 in an attempt to discredit Kerry, appeared on Nightline expecting to smear Kerry and pimp his recent book, but little did he know... Koppel had a few surprises for him.

Nightline traveled to Vietnam and found a number of witnesses who have never been heard from before, and who have no particular ax to grind for or against Kerry. Only one of them, in fact, even knew who Kerry is. The witnesses, all Vietnamese, are still living in the same villages where the fighting took place more than 35 years ago. A Nightline producer visited them and recorded their accounts of that day. Their accounts back up Kerry's account of what happened, the Navy's official report, the citation for Kerry's Silver Star, and the statements of the men who served with Kerry and were there that day.

Koppel asked O'Neill why these Vietnamese peasant villagers would have any reason to lie. O'Neill blustered and tried to change the subject to some other incident, but Koppel didn't let the conversation wander and focused on this one incident, since that's what O'Neill was on the show to talk about. O'Neill then got angry and started shouting over Koppel, holding up books, and evading the question, but Koppel wasn't having any of it.

Way to go, Ted Koppel and ABCNews and the Nightline staff. Now that is what real journalism is all about! Thanks for reporting the truth.
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Also, the Bush administration (by that I mean Bush and many of his cronies) have been caught on tape denying that they said things which they HAVE said, and were caught on tape. Also, innumberable lies and distortions. The idea of anybody criticizing a left-winger for lying about stating an opinion is laughable to me. Remove the gigantic maggot infested plank from your own stupid eye before criticizing.
 
Patrick said:
The internet is anonymous, whereas Stewart walked onto a TV show, maybe many kids were watching, and used Teresa Heinz language. As for myself, I deal with people on the level they are able to accomodate, from debate to pissing matches -- frequently here my opponents choose the latter.
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You opponents? Anyone here who talks to you does it for amusement purposes only. You don't rise to the level of opponent.
 
hgc said:
You opponents? Anyone here who talks to you does it for amusement purposes only. You don't rise to the level of opponent.
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Too funny hgc! I wish I would have said it myself. ....

Charlie (still giggling) Monoxide
 
Patrick said:
Jon Stewart is an uncivil thug,
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Thug? Jon is less than 5' 8" and can barely bench press half his weight.


Patrick, you need to step back and look at yourself before you become as ridiculous as 1inChrist.
 
Thug? Jon is less than 5' 8" and can barely bench press half his weight.

Of course I was referring to his verbal thuggishness - on television, small size is not an impediment to such thugishness. One can be certain that Jon-boy wouldn't take even verbal thugishness into say a bar - not wanting to become a permanent part of the wallpaper. On TV, he knows he can let fly with his Teresa-speak, ironically depending on the civility of the other participants not to get deservedly knocked flat on his ass.
 
You opponents? Anyone here who talks to you does it for amusement purposes only. You don't rise to the level of opponent.

Take me on any time! Take your vitamins first! :D
 
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