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John McCain in Neverland

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John McCain made some outrageous claims on CNN about peaceful Baghdad today, and got promptly debunked.

McCain (to Wolf Blitzer):

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Here’s what you told Bill Bennett on his radio show on Monday. “There are neighborhoods in Baghdad where you and I could walk through those neighborhoods, today. The U.S. is beginning to succeed in Iraq.”
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That’s where you ought to catch up on things, Wolf. General Petraeus goes out there almost every day in an unarmed humvee. I think you oughta catch up. You are giving the old line of three months ago.
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CNN reporter Michael Ware, who's been in Baghdad for 4 years, came back to Wolf with this:

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I mean, Sen. McCain’s credibility now on Iraq, which has been so solid to this point, is now being left out hanging to dry. To suggest that there’s any neighborhood in this city where an American can walk freely is beyond ludicrous. I’d love Sen. McCain to tell me where that neighborhood is and he and I can go for a stroll.

And to think that Gen. David Petraeus travels this city in an unarmed humvee? I mean, in the hour since Sen. McCain’s said this, I’ve spoken to military sources and there was laughter down the line.
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Watch the video to get the McCain in Neverland in quote.

This new Straight Talk Express is more like Bullshtorama.
 
I am very saddened by McCain's descent into shameless pandering to the right wing. Eight or even four years ago I might have voted for him. What happened?

I am reminded of a time from my youth when George Wallace noted racist, was running for Governor of Alabama. Most people don't know this, but Wallace actually lost the first time he ran, to John Patterson. Patterson won because he openly pandered to the Ku Klux Klan while Wallace refused their support. His words were something to the effect of "They out ni**ered me. They'll never do it again." He was right. By the time the next election rolled around, he was the fire-breathing segregationist who stood in the schoolhouse door to prevent blacks from enrolling at the University of Alabama. Many years later, as politics changed, he softened his stance on race, and even apologized.

But the point is Wallace would take any political stance in order to win. Now I am seeing McCain, a man I respected, do the same thing. I wonder whether to be sad because he has fallen so far, or to be glad that my trust for him didn't result in this charlatan becoming president. Who can say what he would have been like?
 
Tricky said:
I wonder whether to be sad because he has fallen so far, or to be glad that my trust for him didn't result in this charlatan becoming president. Who can say what he would have been like?
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He wouldn't have been half as bad as the one we got. But nonetheless his behavior here is inexplicable, even within the context of the pander season.

I'd love to have been in the room when McCain saw Ware's direct response, and realized that the 2 interviews would be played in immediate successon on CNN all day and all night.
 
So, let me see if I have this right -

He doesn't know if he believes condoms prevent AIDS or not, and he sees an imaginary Iraq with safe streets in Baghdad.

I had a lot of respect for him. I still do respect him for the service and suffering he gave during the Viet Nam war!.

But it appears he's out of his league now. I think it's time for him to go home, and leave the big boys to play for the White House.

This quote just kills me - "Mr. McCain: (Laughs) “Are we on the Straight Talk express? I’m not informed enough on it. Let me find out. You know, I’m sure I’ve taken a position on it on the past. I have to find out what my position was. Brian, would you find out what my position is on contraception – I’m sure I’m opposed to government spending on it, I’m sure I support the president’s policies on it.”
(shamelessly stolen from this thread - http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77287)
My bolding.

I mean, come on guy! Think about the question, and give a bloody answer for bob's sake!

Oh well....
 
This Guy said:
This quote just kills me - "Mr. McCain: (Laughs) “Are we on the Straight Talk express? I’m not informed enough on it. Let me find out. You know, I’m sure I’ve taken a position on it on the past. I have to find out what my position was. Brian, would you find out what my position is on contraception – I’m sure I’m opposed to government spending on it, I’m sure I support the president’s policies on it.”
(shamelessly stolen from this thread - http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77287)
My bolding.
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It was a Reaganesque move. He lost the distinction between the script notes and the actual text of the script. Nice touch how he inadvertantly mocks his own most famous campaign slogan (STE).
 
By the way, I watch McCain on The Today Show this morning. He was making the same arguments about date-certain surrender, but left out the fluffy details for which he was dinged on CNN yesterday. He just said that "some neighborhoods are safer ... Anbar Province ... blah ... blah ... scratch a little lower, Joementum ... blah ... blah ..."
 
The Backpedal Express

This morning on CNN:

JOHN ROBERTS: Senator, did you mean to say that, that General Petraeus goes out every day in an unarmed humvee?

SEN. JOHN McCAIN (R-AZ): I mean that there are neighborhoods safe in Iraq and he does go out into Baghdad and the fact is there has been significant progress and people are stuck in a time warp of three months ago. Of course, it’s still dangerous. Of course it’s still very dangerous. We only have two of the five brigades there and we are already seeing significant progress.

ROBERTS: Because I checked with General Petraeus’s people overnight and they said he never goes out in anything less than an up-armored humvee. You also told Bill Bennett on his radio program on Monday. You said there are neighborhoods in Baghdad where you and I could walk through those neighborhood today yet retired General Barry McCaffrey said no Iraqi government official, coalition soldier, diplomat reporter could walk the streets of Baghdad without heavily armed protection. We’ve got two different stories here. Who’s right?

McCAIN: Well, I’m not saying they could go without protection. The President goes around America with protection. So, certainly I didn’t say that.
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"Abandon ye all hope who enter here..."

Yes...let no one offer hope in any way on the subject of Iraq. Let no one stand in the way of the Surrender Express lest he be savaged by the people lining up to profit from American defeat. Let the schadenfreude of the extreme left go unremarked upon. The end is near for ChimpyMcHitler and the neocons, yet we must continue to beat the drum of defeatism lest stability somehow break out bringing progress, freedom, and hope to Iraq....and irreparable political damage to the party of appeasement, surrender, and moral cowardice.

-z
 
rikzilla said:
"Abandon ye all hope who enter here..."

Yes...let no one offer hope in any way on the subject of Iraq. Let no one stand in the way of the Surrender Express lest he be savaged by the people lining up to profit from American defeat. Let the schadenfreude of the extreme left go unremarked upon. The end is near for ChimpyMcHitler and the neocons, yet we must continue to beat the drum of defeatism lest stability somehow break out bringing progress, freedom, and hope to Iraq....and irreparable political damage to the party of appeasement, surrender, and moral cowardice.

-z
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Shorter rik: Flat-out lying about the circumstances in Iraq = "hope"
 
I lost respect for McCain when he endorsed torture and "toe'd the line" sold by neocons. He must have been talking to Admiral Fallon who recently said that there is no civil war in Iraq and the only problems are in Baghdad. I wonder how they explain this:

Tuesday's deadly truck bombs targeted markets in the northern and central parts of Tal Afar, Mayor Najam Abdulla said. The bombs detonated within minutes of each other, he said.

The explosions killed at least 70 people and wounded 108 others, according to an Iraqi army official in Tal Afar.

A year ago, President Bush touted Tal Afar as a success story for U.S.-led forces.

"In this city, we see the outlines of the Iraq that we and the Iraqi people have been fighting for," Bush said in a March 20, 2006, speech in Cleveland, Ohio.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/28/iraq.main/index.html
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It's sad when non-skepticism about the effectiveness of a war deludes a Presidential candidate to the point that he looks like a buffoon.
 
Songs from the "Re-Deployment" Now songbook:

Sung to the tune of "Home on the Range" with much incompetent beating of drums by disillusioned suburban whiteboys expecting sundry entitlements due to ridiculously elevated levels of self esteem exacerbated by the indulgent parenting styles prevalent in the '80s:

Home, home in Iraq,
Where the evil occupiers and the freedom fighters play,
Where never must be heard an encouraging word...
and if one gets through it must be debunked a-way!!

Yes it sucks like Anna Nicole Smith at a Howard K. Stern-enabled cocaine orgy but it was the best I could do on such short notice.

-z
 
I'm not sure what purpose all that arm-waving is supposed to serve, rik. Would you care to support the claims of Sen McCain, or say something that has anything to do with the thread topic?
 
hgc said:
I'm not sure what purpose all that arm-waving is supposed to serve, rik. Would you care to support the claims of Sen McCain, or say something that has anything to do with the thread topic?
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McCain says something off the cuff which is indicative of his hope for progress in Iraq. The comment is then parsed and debunked as if he were $ylvia (rule8ing) Brown(with-an-"e") pretending to channel the ghost of Jeebus! :eek:

If you lot weren't so reactionary, your motives wouldn't be so transparent...but alas the glee is sooo hard to contain ain't it? No wonder liberals make such crappy poker players. ;)

-z
 
I too have lost a lot of respect for McCain. In the 2000 Primaries, I gave him my vote because I thought that he was the best person available among the Republican candidates. He seemed to be a person that would bring intelligence and honesty to the table. I remember that at the time, he was under constant attack by the Religious Right, and those people who wanted Bush to be the Republican Candidate. They ran a successful smeer campaign against him, even questioning his military service(as they did with Kerry); and these are the same people that he is now trying to recruit to his campaign!

In hindsight, I think he would have been better than Bush, but there's no chance that he will get my vote again.
 
Why does no one ever start threads about the clearly insane things that Ahmadinejad says, why does it always have to be about petty politics that only will further damage America's solidarity in the face of danger? Is bashing your own become a national sport?

It baffles me.
 
For me McCain has become the embodiment of all the weak character republicans used to like to pretend john kerry had.

He must have always sucked this hard, just no one seemed to notice. The mans in his 70's, I don't think your fundmental personality changes that much at that point.
 
rikzilla said:
McCain says something off the cuff which is indicative of his hope for progress in Iraq. The comment is then parsed and debunked as if he were $ylvia (rule8ing) Brown(with-an-"e") pretending to channel the ghost of Jeebus! :eek:

If you lot weren't so reactionary, your motives wouldn't be so transparent...but alas the glee is sooo hard to contain ain't it? No wonder liberals make such crappy poker players. ;)

-z
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I didn't notice McCain saying that he hoped that's how things are going in Iraq. He made factual claims, and is trying to influence policy based on those facts.

So now factual claims that are clearly and utterly false are OK if they're "indicative of hope?"

How do you know my motives? The same way you know McCain's hope?
 
Pardalis said:
Why does no one ever start threads about the clearly insane things that Ahmadinejad says....
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haha that's a lie and you know it.

, why does it always have to be about petty politics that only will further damage America's solidarity in the face of danger? Is bashing your own become a national sport?

It baffles me.
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Um, maybe you just spend too much time in the Politics room of the JREF forum. All of these conversations are sort of the point of this place....

maybe go outside?
 
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