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John Lennon's death

Perdomo -- Security Guard or Doorman?

First off, your source doesn't strike me as terribly credible. Secondly, it clearly identifies Jose Perdomo as the doorman, not a security guard.

He's a doorman, not a security guard nor "a special security guard assigned to aid Lennon in entering the Dakota" as you contend in the original OP.

I read somewhere that he was the Security Guard, as famous people lived in that building. But I stand corrected. Is the job title so important? :eek:

kc440
 
No, Gravy, I don't understand why it would have been important if Perdomo was a guard at a different building and Lennon got shot there, rather than at the Dakota. :confused:

I have found a better site about Jose Perdomo. I think the conspiracy theory about Lennon's death is growing. These sites didn't exist a year or two ago.

http://forums.lionsgate.com/archive/index.php/t-4084.html

kc440
(Sigh)
Okay, so none of this is sinking in.

See, it's not a coincidence that Perdomo was the doorman at the Dakota on the night Lennon was shot. That's where he worked. As a doorman.

Capisce?
 
(Sigh)
Okay, so none of this is sinking in.

See, it's not a coincidence that Perdomo was the doorman at the Dakota on the night Lennon was shot. That's where he worked. As a doorman.

Capisce?

I claim it's not a coincidence. Like President Kennedy's shooting and Oswald just happening to work at the Texas School Book Depository. It's quite possible Perdomo killed Lennon or was in on it. The creep was the patsy. Since Lennon was getting re-established as a person of note, the CIA struck in December when his album was out. :(

kc440
 
I claim it's not a coincidence. Like President Kennedy's shooting and Oswald just happening to work at the Texas School Book Depository. It's quite possible Perdomo killed Lennon or was in on it. The creep was the patsy. Since Lennon was getting re-established as a person of note, the CIA struck in December when his album was out. :(

kc440
Um, hello? kc? I also claim it's not a coincidence that Perdomo was at the Dakota. That's where he worked. Now, if you have evidence that he was involved in the murder, present it now. Otherwise, stop dragging this poor guy's name through a pool of mud that you've created. That's rude.

Capisce?
 
Langley, VA: November, 1980

[Intercom]: Mr. Lawrence, Mr. Kincaid… Mr. Anderson is here to see you now.

L: Thanks, Pam. Send him in.

K: What’s this all about, anyway?

L: I dunno. Some job he wants done. Wouldn’t say over the phone.

A [entering]: Good morning, sirs.

L: Anderson

K: Anderson

L: Have a seat. Now… what’s your project?

A: Well, sirs, let me get right to the point. It’s John Lennon. I think it’s time we took him out.

K: Lenin? Who’s he, Russian expat?

A: No, sir. Lennon. The musician. You know, the radical. The druggie. The one with the wife.

L: You mean from the Beatles?

A: Yes, sir. The FBI kept a file on him for about seven, eight years. A very active radical, involved in international heroin traffic, a Communist revolutionary.

K: Oh, yeah. All those protests, the whole thing with John Sinclair and Angela Davis. I can’t believe we let him in the country.

L: Mm.

K: And didn’t he write that song, “Revolution”?

A: Yes he did, sir.

L: You mean the one with all the jibber-jabber?

K: No no, that was “Revolution Number Nine”. I mean the one about Chairman Mao.

L: Oh, right. And he wrote “Back in the USSR”, too.

K: No, I think that was… you know, the other guy… the cute one. The one who wrote “Silly Love Songs”.

L: Really? You mean [singing] “Da da da had enough of silly love songs…”

K: Yeah, that’s it.

L: You know, my wife loves that tune! That’s the same guy who wrote “Back in the USSR”?

K: You wouldn’t think so, but I’m pretty sure, yeah.

A: Sirs, I think we’re drifting away from the point, here.

K: Sorry. So why’d the Feebees close the file?

A: Well, sir, he ostensibly cleaned up and settled down, knocked off the radical activities and was a stay-at-home dad, so Jimmy thought…. Well, you know how Jimmy is – or “was”, if you get my drift.

L: [clears throat]

A: But he has a new album out, and from what I understand, it’s highly subversive. Could start stirring up trouble. Very left wing. And… I hate to bring this up, but… we believe it promotes pedophilia.

L: Huh?

A: I’m not kidding, this is how crazy he’s gotten. There’s a song, “Beautiful Boy”, with the lyric “I can hardly wait to see you come”. It’s really pretty sick.

L: Listen, Anderson, I don’t think we could justify any funding—

A: Oh, no problem, sir. We have a dark angel for this one. Says it’s long overdue after what Lennon’s done.

K: What do you know about this guy?

A: He knows Lennon. Personally. A real insider – or was, before our man turned Commie.

L: All right, so what’s your plan, Anderson?

A: Well, sir, we’ve managed to put a former operative in position at Lennon’s hotel. Former Bay of Pigger. He’s the doorman.

K: You’re gonna have the doorman shoot him?

A: No, he’s there for site management and cleanup. We need a patsy. Still working on that. We’re having a hard time finding anyone who wants to shoot John. And there’s a credibility gap.

K: Why not have someone try to shoot Yoko and miss? Hell, I’d believe that.

L: Well, if you’re gonna do that, might as well not miss. One less witness, right? And have you heard her records?

A: I’m sorry, we can’t go after Yoko. Her family’s very connected in Japanese finance. John’s family… well, they’re labor lefties.

K: What if we had an agent in the ambulance slip her a mickey… you know, induce a heart attack on the way to ER?

L: Kincaid—

K: Just brainstorming, here.

[Intercom flashes]

L: What is it, Pam?

[Intercom]: Sirs, sorry to interrupt, but there’s a call for Mr. Anderson in his office.

A: This is a very important meeting.

[Intercom]: Yes, sir, I understand, but it’s a Mr. Best, and he says it’s urgent. Something about having located a “candidate”?

A: Uh… actually, I probably better take this call. But you guys think it over, ok? That’s all I’m asking. Just give it some thought.
 
A: Uh… actually, I probably better take this call. But you guys think it over, ok? That’s all I’m asking. Just give it some thought.
All they are saying, is "give death a chance." Is that so wrong?
 
Poor Jose

Um, hello? kc? I also claim it's not a coincidence that Perdomo was at the Dakota. That's where he worked. Now, if you have evidence that he was involved in the murder, present it now. Otherwise, stop dragging this poor guy's name through a pool of mud that you've created. That's rude.

Capisce?

His name is already in the mud. He worked for the CIA. He "guarded" John Lennon as a Doorman (I don't really see the difference). Read the link I presented last. There is something to this.

kc440
 
His name is already in the mud. He worked for the CIA. He "guarded" John Lennon as a Doorman (I don't really see the difference). Read the link I presented last. There is something to this.
A doorman opens doors. A guard guards.

He is claimed to have worked for the CIA. Got evidence?

Even if he was an out-of-work Bay of Pigger who was in NYC working as a doorman at the Dakota, how does this demonstrate that the CIA was behind Chapman shooting Lennon?

What if the doorman had formerly been in the Army? Would this be evidence that the Army had Lennon shot?

What if he had been an out of work actor? Would that be evidence that the Screen Actors Guild (once headed by Reagan!) had him bumped off?
 
A doorman opens doors. A guard guards.

He is claimed to have worked for the CIA. Got evidence?

Even if he was an out-of-work Bay of Pigger who was in NYC working as a doorman at the Dakota, how does this demonstrate that the CIA was behind Chapman shooting Lennon?

What if the doorman had formerly been in the Army? Would this be evidence that the Army had Lennon shot?

What if he had been an out of work actor? Would that be evidence that the Screen Actors Guild (once headed by Reagan!) had him bumped off?

What if he killed John Kennedy? What if he was a Watergate burglar?

kc440
 
What if he killed John Kennedy? What if he was a Watergate burglar?
What if he hated licorice?

If you have some evidence that this guy was actually employed as a hit-man by the CIA at the time, then please present it.

But the very idea that the CIA would want to kill Lennon is ludicrous. And even if they did, why hire an assassin to stand idly by?

There is no scenario that makes sense here.

Btw, Liddy's plumbers were hacks, and no one in the Company would have hired them for anything.
 
What if he killed John Kennedy? What if he was a Watergate burglar?

kc440
Why would Oswald rise from the grave just to kill Lennon? Lennon wasn't even famous at the time Oswald died. I'm sorry kc440_, I can buy your reanimated corpses, but where's the motive?
 
His name is already in the mud. He worked for the CIA. He "guarded" John Lennon as a Doorman (I don't really see the difference). Read the link I presented last. There is something to this.

kc440
Okay, you don't understand the difference between a bodyguard and a doorman. You can look those words up in a dictionary.

Now, kc, how do you know your CIA assassin isn't this Jose Perdomo, who actually is an Agent?
 
He "guarded" John Lennon as a Doorman (I don't really see the difference).

You don't see the difference? The two are completely different things. A guard protects a person while a doorman opens the door for them.

guard
9. a person or group of persons that guards, protects, or keeps a protective or restraining watch.

doorman
the door attendant of an apartment house, night club, etc., who acts as doorkeeper and performs minor services for entering and departing residents or guests.

For chrissakes, they're two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT words. Completely. It's like being unable to distinguish the difference between a butcher and a baker. "But they're both people!"

You really can't see the difference between this and this? I hope you're just trolling. Either way, the ignorance of the CT crowd is staggering.
 
Okay, you don't understand the difference between a bodyguard and a doorman. You can look those words up in a dictionary.

Now, kc, how do you know your CIA assassin isn't this Jose Perdomo, who actually is an Agent?

Century 21? Must be some kind of New World Order organization preparing the 21st century for eventual global dominance.

Hope you guys have fun in the FEMA camps!
 
This is such a pointless discussion. We all know that the shooter was the one and only Billy Shears. ;)
 
I was 14 -- no, 13... my birthday was 4 days away -- out of elementary school (which was grades 1-6 for us). My brother was 15, and already working after school.

John was killed at about 11:00 Monday night. By the time it hit the news wires, we would have been in bed.

My brother heard it on the radio the next morning while I was in the shower, and he came and told me.

Of course it was all over the news. Anyone who listened to the radio or turned on the TV or saw a paper that morning knew about it. Obviously, Mrs. Stein heard about it and, knowing how much of an influence the Beatles' music was having on me at the time, understood that it was going to be shocking and sad for me.

So yes, despite the fact that all this is exactly what you'd expect to happen, it actually happened.

Makes perfect sense, Piggy. Sorry for sounding as though I thought otherwise. I was tired and misread your post and leapt to an unfouonded conclusion. My apologies.
 
Makes perfect sense, Piggy. Sorry for sounding as though I thought otherwise. I was tired and misread your post and leapt to an unfounded conclusion. My apologies.
No problem. I've done it myself on those late night reads. Cheers -Piggy
 

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