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John Lennon Is In Hell...

Beerina said:
Not sure I follow you. "The devil will torture you, but he's only doing God's bidding" has long been a theological problem. Best not to think about it too deeply and just keep sending in your checks.
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Supposedly God does not condemn people to Hell but people condemn themselves to Hell. If God reveals Hell to these individuals then is he not responsible for the eternal torture of those he does not reveal Hell to?

In anycase these individuals contradict themselves and the bible. When Paul had Heaven and Hell revealed to him he claimed that God commanded him to not write of what he saw. And, biblically speaking, the theological concept that Satan and his demons rule Hell and deliver punishments onto humanity for their non-belief is a myth and is not-biblical in any sense.

Beerina said:
Stop right there. No more need be said.
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Quite so.
 
Kthulhut Fhtagn said:
Supposedly God does not condemn people to Hell but people condemn themselves to Hell. If God reveals Hell to these individuals then is he not responsible for the eternal torture of those he does not reveal Hell to?
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Sure. But he's responsible in both cases.

A crook says, "I'm gonna shoot you in the face if you walk near me." So someone walks near them anyway, and gets shot.

"Well, it was your fault!"

Would that stand up in a court of law? No?

Huh.






In anycase these individuals contradict themselves and the bible. When Paul had Heaven and Hell revealed to him he claimed that God commanded him to not write of what he saw.
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I think God meant details, like names, addresses, and dates.

It's an old fraudster's trick, "I saw the future, but I can't tell you because you can't handle it/it must play out as it is supposed to."

In modern times, psychics use it. When asked why they didn't predict a big event, they will lie say (after the fact, of course) that they did suspect something big was up, but that they didn't reveal it because they were worried about the panic they'd cause.



And, biblically speaking, the theological concept that Satan and his demons rule Hell and deliver punishments onto humanity for their non-belief is a myth
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In the bigger picture, it doesn't matter whether I'm thrown into the lake of lava by a guy with horns or a guy with a halo.
 
billydkid said:
I don't know, but if I'm upside down, burning in hell with the meat hanging off my face I think I'd be a little too preoccupied to be "cursing and blaspheming" the Lord. And how does this work, does the meat fall off your face and then grow back so that it can keep falling off for eternity?
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That's what it says in the Quran. No second chances, but Allah the "most merciful" will happily give you a new skin so it can have the pleasure of burning your flesh off again. It doesn't do this just to amuse itself, but also to entertain the people in paradise whose primary activity (apart from sitting around and eating) is to laugh at the damned.

Those folks who visited hell and saw John Lennon in a cauldron apparently think Jesus is one mean S.O.B. And that's what they want to worship. Pretty sick, if you ask me.
 
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Beerina said:
I think God meant details, like names, addresses, and dates.

It's an old fraudster's trick, "I saw the future, but I can't tell you because you can't handle it/it must play out as it is supposed to."

In modern times, psychics use it. When asked why they didn't predict a big event, they will lie say (after the fact, of course) that they did suspect something big was up, but that they didn't reveal it because they were worried about the panic they'd cause.
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Right; never accuse me of siding with Paul on this matter. I'm simply pointing out that these people are contradicting the scripture they claim to support. If I have one problem with religion it would be the massive amounts of frauds who show up to leech off of people's sincerely held religious beliefs.


Beerina said:
In the bigger picture, it doesn't matter whether I'm thrown into the lake of lava by a guy with horns or a guy with a halo.
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That it doesn't. Merely pointing out the contradictory nature of these accounts.
 
billydkid said:
I don't know, but if I'm upside down, burning in hell with the meat hanging off my face I think I'd be a little too preoccupied to be "cursing and blaspheming" the Lord. And how does this work, does the meat fall off your face and then grow back so that it can keep falling off for eternity?
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Maybe God will invoke Zeno's Paradox in this case.
 
What do you think got John sent to hell? Was it "All we need is love", or "Give Peace a Chance?"
 
moon1969 said:
And if anybody is going to be in hell its going to be Tom Delay, Jack Abramoff, David Safavian, Grover Norquist and Ralph Reed. All are "holy" crooks who claim to worship Jesus. Too bad Delay and Reed said that evangelicals are wackos. No they really said that its true.
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Well, Jack Abramoff never claimed to worship Jesus. He claimed to worship God of Moses and to obey the laws of Torah. Somehow he must have misread the laws about honesty in financial dealings.
 
Kenneth Hagin is not a prophet of God.

Nothing happened.

After a moment nothing continued to happen.
 
If I woke up one morning and realized I'd published something half as childish as the story quoted in the OP to the Internet, I'd throw myself off a cliff:covereyes

He said, "Lord have mercy! Lord give me a chance! Lord take me out of this place!" But the Lord Jesus didn't want to look at him. Jesus simply turned his back on him. When Jesus did this, the man started to curse and blaspheme the Lord.
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"OMG Gawd's torcher victim blasphemed Him!11111"

This is what meth does to perfectly ordinary people. I've seen far worse:(.
 
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Oh my freaken god.
What a perfect story arc for my heaven and hell saga.
The people after being in heaven for 100s of billions of years are bored crapless.
Then they hear the music produced by the great musicians in hell, imagine the kind of blues that Robert Johnson or Jimmy Page will make after being tormented for eons.
Then, the saved start to sneak off to hell to listen
 
those guy's are nuts cause I have it on good authority that the last time anyone saw John he was having lunch at the Oasis with The Rose just killing time away from their big parts in the final scene of Hells Gate
Hellywoods biggest production yet :duck:


:o sorry couldn't resist
 
I'm just sitting here, watching the fundies go 'round and 'round; I really love to watch them roll...

... they should learn to just let it be.
 
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