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John Edwards Campaign Deathwatch

corplinx said:
Hence why I believe if you put Hillary and Obama in a 1 on 1 debate where they both argued 50/50, I believe Obama would win for HDTV owners. Hillary looks like a california raisin in a blonde wig on HD.
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The advent of widespread HD will be accompanied by undreamt of advances in make-up technology.
 
I think Jeffrey Toobin explained it best on CNN when he said, "Well, what's Edwards going to do? Drop out and go sit around that big house of his and do nothing? The man's a professional presidential candidate. It's what he does."

Basically, Edwards doesn't have a lot else left to do. At least in the race he's getting lots of exposure and could maybe segway that into something.
 
I have to agree with the other Edwards supporters, he's not going to get the nomination but I will still vote for him. I also agree with the thinking on maintaining his candidacy with an eye towards a place in either Hillary or Obama's administration. Maybe not VP but Attorney General or other policy position.


As an aside, whichever candidate does get the nod let's hope they are smart enough to get Richardson in as Secretary of State.




Boo
 
dudalb said:
Edwards basically moved too far to the left in the early stages of his campaign with his class warfare rhetoric, and,although he won support from the ideological hardcore ,in the view of a lot of Democratics he moved so far to the left that he will be unable to move back to the center for he general election.
And a series of gaffes did not help him either.
I doubt he will be a serious contender for VP.It would look too much like the Dems have ran out of viable candidates.
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"Moved too far to the Left?"
LOL, he's the only major candidate who started and stayed on the left. Clinton and Obama started out Right of center and haven't shown any tendancy to drift left.
 
It's an interesting scenario, but I give it the same probability as DOC making a coherent, fact-filled post. But one can dream.....
 
He's dropped out.

The timing seems strange to me - just before super Tuesday. I can think of a couple of reasons. Maybe his polling showed he was not going to get enough delegates to play the kingmaker role at the convention, so why bother. Or maybe Elizabeth's health has taken a turn for the worse.

I'm seriously bummed, but that's life.
 
Where will Edwards' supporters go?

By CNN's count, Clinton has 232 committed delegates, she needs 2025 to win the nomination, and there are 3598 delegates left to be decided. All she has to do is win 50% of the remainder, and she wins outright.

Obama has 158 committed delegates. He would have to win 52% of the remaining delegates to win the nomination outright.

The Dems more or less are awarding their delegates proportionally, so the % of support is a pretty accurate gauge of potential delegate wins.

The latest poll averages (with Edwards in the mix) have Clinton at 42%, Obama at 33%, and Edwards at 13%. Unless the Edwards supporters go with Obama in near unanimity, Clinton may have the nomination sewn up.
 
rtalman said:
Where will Edwards' supporters go?

By CNN's count, Clinton has 232 committed delegates, she needs 2025 to win the nomination, and there are 3598 delegates left to be decided. All she has to do is win 50% of the remainder, and she wins outright.

Obama has 158 committed delegates. He would have to win 52% of the remaining delegates to win the nomination outright.

The Dems more or less are awarding their delegates proportionally, so the % of support is a pretty accurate gauge of potential delegate wins.

The latest poll averages (with Edwards in the mix) have Clinton at 42%, Obama at 33%, and Edwards at 13%. Unless the Edwards supporters go with Obama in near unanimity, Clinton may have the nomination sewn up.
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There is a big difference between Edwards' supporters and Edwards' delegates.

There are no longer any Edwards' delegates, I imagine most of his super-delegates will go to Hillary and many of his former election delegates will go to Obama. Many of the long time Democratic voters who supported him in the early elections will probably go to Hillary, and many of the Independents he drew will probably go to Obama. Former supporters who are in upcoming primary states I don't think anyone can say at this time. I know many, who were interested in Edwards' campaign and potential who are now very despondant about politics in general now, and whom have intimated that they are disgusted with the whole process and probably will not participate as they feel that the system is rigged and their participation does not matter.

Actually as the field narrows in both parties I see people on both sides becoming less and less interested in participating and feel that this may be one time when we get fewer national election participants than we have seen (at least so far) in the primary elections.
 
TShaitanaku said:
There is a big difference between Edwards' supporters and Edwards' delegates.

There are no longer any Edwards' delegates, I imagine most of his super-delegates will go to Hillary and many of his former election delegates will go to Obama. Many of the long time Democratic voters who supported him in the early elections will probably go to Hillary, and many of the Independents he drew will probably go to Obama. Former supporters who are in upcoming primary states I don't think anyone can say at this time. I know many, who were interested in Edwards' campaign and potential who are now very despondant about politics in general now, and whom have intimated that they are disgusted with the whole process and probably will not participate as they feel that the system is rigged and their participation does not matter.

Actually as the field narrows in both parties I see people on both sides becoming less and less interested in participating and feel that this may be one time when we get fewer national election participants than we have seen (at least so far) in the primary elections.
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In revision to this last post, a letter from the Edwards campaign corrects my statements. Technically, he has *suspended* his campaign not ended it. This means all of his delegates are still pledged to him and until he officially ends his campaign they will stay under his control. If he maintains the *suspended* condition until after the primaries on the 5th, he could even pick up additional delegates. If he were intending to do this, however, there was no reason I can see for today's announcement.
 
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SezMe said:
He's dropped out.

The timing seems strange to me - just before super Tuesday. I can think of a couple of reasons. Maybe his polling showed he was not going to get enough delegates to play the kingmaker role at the convention, so why bother. Or maybe Elizabeth's health has taken a turn for the worse.

I'm seriously bummed, but that's life.
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I have a feeling it might have been he was running out of money and stood little chance of getting enough delegates to play Kingmaker.
 
TShaitanaku said:
In revision to this last post, a letter from the Edwards campaign corrects my statements. Technically, he has *suspended* his campaign not ended it. This means all of his delegates are still pledged to him and until he officially ends his campaign they will stay under his control. If he maintains the *susended* condition until after the primaries on the 5th, he could even pick up additional delegates. If he were intending to do this, however, there was no reason I can see for today's announcement.
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Linky? This does not jibe with the information I have read.
Thx.
 
dudalb said:
I have a feeling it might have been he was running out of money and stood little chance of getting enough delegates to play Kingmaker.
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According to campaign releases, he has plenty of money, and has been receiving increasing, not decreasing, individual donation amounts.
 
rtalman said:
Linky? This does not jibe with the information I have read.
Thx.
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Well, it was a letter sent out from the campaign this AM, not sure how to link a letter. Googling "Edwards Campaign Suspended" however, turns up many hits which seem to confirm the terminology.

handful of the top hits in no particular order

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/30/16148/3223

http://www.thepoliticsreport.com/2008/01/edwards-suspends-presidential-campaign/

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/politics/ny-usedwa0131,0,5954696.story

http://blog.johnedwards.com/

http://www.kxmc.com/News/Nation/203401.asp

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2794826

http://freakinpolitics.com/blog/2008/01/30/edwards-campaign-suspended/
 
I heard an interesting theoy on the timing today. Now, he is in a position to try to get something from Clinton and Obama because he is still somewhat of a factor in the race. But if he has a poor showing next Tuesday (which seems increasingly likely), he'll have no stroke at all with the other two - they could just push him away like a pesky fly.

Who knows?
 
No, he stays until the end. Funded by the wealthy Clinton campaign, he stays in it to suck votes away from Obama. The way I see it, those who don't vote for Clinton would never vote for Clinton. So, I believe, Edwards', et. al., votes would mostly go to Obama, boosting his total, if any of them dropped. That is why Clinton's campaign has great interest in Edwards' tenancy, and would probably pay for it.
 
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