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John Edwards, bad VP pick, bad prophet

corplinx

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He predicted people like Chris Reeves would get out of their chairs and walk if John Kerry was elected due to the magic of stem cells.

Well, they are getting up and walking and JK isn't president. Also, cord cells were used and not embryonic ones.

Also, since I like to kick people when they are down. Let me once again say he was the worst VP pick since the Potato man.
 
corplinx said:
He predicted people like Chris Reeves would get out of their chairs and walk if John Kerry was elected due to the magic of stem cells.

Well, they are getting up and walking and JK isn't president. Also, cord cells were used and not embryonic ones.
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Since this is a skeptic's forum, I have to point out that if one predicts that "A will lead to B" that in no way precludes C or D or E leading to B as well. Unless he worded this prediction "If and only if A, then B", you haven't really disproved his prediction.
 
corplinx said:
He predicted people like Chris Reeves would get out of their chairs and walk if John Kerry was elected due to the magic of stem cells.

Well, they are getting up and walking and JK isn't president. Also, cord cells were used and not embryonic ones.

Also, since I like to kick people when they are down. Let me once again say he was the worst VP pick since the Potato man.
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I thought he was the perfect pick for Kerry.

Well sure, I was supporting Bush but still...

Besides, Quayle is to the potato what Edwards is to the pettitoes.*










*if you did not understand this post, press one now.
 
Re: Re: John Edwards, bad VP pick, bad prophet

TragicMonkey said:
Since this is a skeptic's forum, I have to point out that if one predicts that "A will lead to B" that in no way precludes C or D or E leading to B as well. Unless he worded this prediction "If and only if A, then B", you haven't really disproved his prediction.
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Whatever, I just hope he can get his old job back hosting Crossing Over and pretending to talk to dead people.
 
corplinx said:
He predicted people like Chris Reeves would get out of their chairs and walk if John Kerry was elected due to the magic of stem cells.
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Evidence?
 
Shouldn't a post which converts something like this
"If we do the work that we can do in this country, the work that we will do when John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve will get up out of that wheelchair and walk again,"
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into this
He predicted people like Chris Reeves would get out of their chairs and walk if John Kerry was elected due to the magic of stem cells.
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be in the humor forum and not this one?
 
DavidJames said:
Shouldn't a post which converts something like thisinto thisbe in the humor forum and not this one?
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It was clearly the implication. At least, that was the inference I took. How about you?
 
DavidJames said:
Shouldn't a post which converts something like this...
into this...
be in the humor forum and not this one?
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Edwards said Reeve, who died Sunday, "was a powerful voice for the need to do stem cell research and change the lives of people like him.

"If we do the work that we can do in this country, the work that we will do when John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve will get up out of that wheelchair and walk again," Edwards said.
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He was clearly talking about stem cells.
 
DavidJames said:
Shouldn't a post which converts something like thisinto thisbe in the humor forum and not this one?
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Sure, if it helps you feel better abotu sympathizing with Edwards.

Pardon for finding a sly way of bringing up the korean stem cell story which is a current event in a way other than just posting the dry story. Pardon me for trying to link it to another recent event (the presidential election).

On second thought, don't pardon me DavidJames because I don't need your pardon or really care for it. Thwap.
 
Look at Corplinx's avatar - he's LITERALLY a puppet. He's just not a sock puppet. More like a shill. The election's over. Watch Corp for a thread where he brags about his team winning the Superbowl - coming in February.
 
I'm sorry, but I don't get it. Why is Edwards a bad "prophet"? Because Reeves happened to die?

AFAIK, Edwards does not claim supernatural powers. As I read it, he was using Reeves as a very well known example of the people that will be helped by stem cell research.

Exemplification is not the same as bad prognostication.
 
corplinx said:
He predicted people like Chris Reeves would get out of their chairs and walk if John Kerry was elected due to the magic of stem cells.

Well, they are getting up and walking and JK isn't president. Also, cord cells were used and not embryonic ones.
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Dead people are getting up and walking?
 
CFLarsen said:
I'm sorry, but I don't get it. Why is Edwards a bad "prophet"? Because Reeves happened to die?

AFAIK, Edwards does not claim supernatural powers. As I read it, he was using Reeves as a very well known example of the people that will be helped by stem cell research.

Exemplification is not the same as bad prognostication.
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Okay Claus let me draw this out for you so you can undestand.

A. John Edwards got flack for claim that a Kerry presidency would help the lame walk again through increased and less restricted US government stem cell research funding.

B. There is this story now about cord stem cells being used to help a woman in Korea walk again. This is the exact claim that Edward made except he was wrong in that it was a cord cells and Kerry was not president.

C. Nobody thinks Edwards is a prophet. I am just making fun of the guy and trying to link item B to something else to sort of rub the guy's nose in it.
 
corplinx said:
He predicted people like Chris Reeves would get out of their chairs and walk if John Kerry was elected due to the magic of stem cells.
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Well, see, there was the problem. John Kerry should have worried about getting elected due to the magic of ELECTABILITY! Stem cells can't vote, everyone knows that. :D
 
Dorian Gray said:
Look at Corplinx's avatar - he's LITERALLY a puppet. He's just not a sock puppet. More like a shill. The election's over. Watch Corp for a thread where he brags about his team winning the Superbowl - coming in February.
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I think his avatar is a triumph.
 
B. There is this story now about cord stem cells being used to help a woman in Korea walk again. This is the exact claim that Edward made except he was wrong in that it was a cord cells and Kerry was not president.
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- I'm pretty sure that this is the key to this whole thread. So now let me ask you this: do you believe Bush, or his administration, holds science as one of their top, oh, 100 priorities on the agenda?

- I lived in Korea for several years. Before the olympics, few people had indoor plumbing even in Seoul. Perhaps Bush's plan is to let other nations do the science while we rest on our 'values'? And it's not surprising that spinal cord cells provided benefits... that doesn't mean fetal cells can't or shouldn't be researched.

- And yes, I would have personally picked another man as my running mate if I were Kerry. Wes Clark perhaps.
 
corplinx said:
B. There is this story now about cord stem cells being used to help a woman in Korea walk again. This is the exact claim that Edward made except he was wrong in that it was a cord cells and Kerry was not president.
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Sorry, but this is faulty logic. Edwards prediction, if you believe it to be such, was that if event A (Kerry as president) occurred, then event B would occur (healing paralysis). This prediction is in no way affected by event B (healing paralysis) occurring after A did not occur.

Prediction: If A, then B.
What's happened: not A, and B.

Unless the prediction stated if and only if A, then B, you don't have any basis to claim that the prediction failed because B occurred without A. The prediction could only have been proven false if A had occurred, and B hadn't.


Prediction: If I microwave this cat, it will die.
What's happened: The cat got run over by a tractor, and died.
Therefore: The cat would not have been killed by microwaving.

See the fault?
 
TragicMonkey said:
Sorry, but this is faulty logic. Edwards prediction, if you believe it to be such, was that if event A (Kerry as president) occurred, then event B would occur (healing paralysis). This prediction is in no way affected by event B (healing paralysis) occurring after A did not occur.

Prediction: If A, then B.
What's happened: not A, and B.

Unless the prediction stated if and only if A, then B, you don't have any basis to claim that the prediction failed because B occurred without A. The prediction could only have been proven false if A had occurred, and B hadn't.


Prediction: If I microwave this cat, it will die.
What's happened: The cat got run over by a tractor, and died.
Therefore: The cat would not have been killed by microwaving.

See the fault?
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Careful! If you catch corplinx making logical fallacies, he will put you on ignore!
 
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