Anna Karenina
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I didn't know about cold reading until watching the Penn & Teller and then the Richard Dawkings pieces on psychics, before then I would watch and be impressed by the psychic's 'ability' but never believed that it was paranormal - I always thought there was a rational explanation. Now I know about cold reading I can't believe I never picked it up before!! The more I watch the more it is obvious. I also realised that if me, a complete skeptic never picked up the cold-reading before it was pointed out to me then what chance do these grieving and desperate people have.
I took the time to type up a short transcript of a reading with Ronn Moss (some guy from Bold and Beautiful..)..which Ross was very impressed with. No idea why. I counted only ONE thing that Edward didn't cold read and even this was just a good general guess.
* apologies in advance for the typos with spelling and grammar in here but Edward talks so damn fast I couldn't be bothered editing it
I couldn't post the youtube link but just go and type in john edward ronn moss and it's the first hit.
E - Edward
M - Moss
E: Biological Father has passed..your dad's passed?
M: Yes
E: Cause your dad’s coming through first [well then why didn't Edward just say that, why did he ask him], he’s making me feel like, I don’t know if he had a chance to see some of your success, was he not a supportive man when it came to your work?
M: No
E: No right [acting like it was his idea], he wanted u to go in a completely different direction, or he thought you were to go in a completely different direction [well obviously, if he wasn't supportive which Moss has already indicated, he would have wanted him to go in a different direction]
M:He always said, something else was goin...
E: He’s making me feel pink roses, and when I see pink roses it’s a way of expressing their love to you..but he’s got thorns on them..so when I see thorns on the roses it lets me know that in life your dad might not have been able to express himself to you emotionally, i don’t feel like he gives enough, i just don’t feel like he gives the ‘good job...I’m proud of you’ [Obviously again, Moss has already indicated that his father was not supportive, clearly someone who isn't supportive isn't going to talk about being proud of you]. Instead of feeling like the ‘that’s my son’ feeling, there was the ‘well what about me’ now..now all that sounds very negative, your dad wasn’t that negative a person but im just giving you the feelings of how he’s coming across to me.
M: Ok
E: He’s almost met up with either his sister or your mum cos he’s bringing through the female figure who’s coming through [Well who is it Edward..you are psychic after all...he is hedging his bets here because statistically either the mother or the auntie would possibly have also passed away, given the age - Moss is in his mid 50s]. This woman has a different energy for me, as your family is coming through to me they’re actually impressing upon me that as connected as you are they’re still disconnected, and I think that’s not just a them thing, I think that’s a you thing, i think you’ve insulated yourself so much..literally [nothing more than a good guess...Moss seems quite shy and reserved if this interview is anything to go by..people like that tend to insulate themselves]
M: Oh absolutely.
E: That you sometimes don’t get the energy coming through to you and you question it when it’s already there but their concern, specifically your mothers concern, is the disconnect that maybe you had from the brother figure or the disconnect that maybe you might be having within relationships here [nice out - if it's not his brother then he has idenitifed that it might just be other relationships...what a load of general crap, and most people have problems with either their siblings or other relationships]..that’s the big issue..the big issue is about relationships now..but there’s such a fear you have about people leaving you that you keep them almost over there or over there (motions) right where you can see them, never behind you, never never behind you, because then you can’t see what theyre doing and u have to be on top of everything at all times because you need to know emotionally and mentally exactly where you stand, be very careful of that because the universe will trip you up in a big, big way because we’re here as a lesson and the big message here is to be connected in the moment of it [connected in the moment of it? Nice vague new age babbling *******] so that you learn from it so that you don’t have to complete the same thing over again...did somebody just pass? [Again, Moss is in his mid 50s chances are he has a relative who has passed recently..auntie, uncle, friend etc...]
M: In my life?
E: Somebody just passed..is that the brother figure?
M: No..? [lol..statistical guess fail]
E: Who is the most recent passing for you?
M: Darlene..on my show
E: I’ll have to put her on hold for one second [he says put her on hold like he has made a spiritual connection with her, he didn't even know about her he had to be told]...did you come with somebody else? [oh just in case his driver or his assistant or whoever has someone who has recently died..so lame]
Like bring anyone with u?
M: Yes
E: Did they just recently lose somebody?
(girlfriend Devon called in)
E: Is this in the last year? [obviously, because you asked about recently..recently would mean in the last year]
Devon: yeah..six months
E: And he’d be responsible for this then correct?
Devon: yes..
E: He was driving or ??..[notice the framed question]
Devon: Yes, he was driving, it was an accident
E: But when somebody goes like this to me (motions) it’s like they’re taking on the responsibility for how it happens...so it’s as if he’s letting me know that, you know, speeding or whatever the case was that he takes on the responsibility like, how this takes place. [not really getting it right so he changes track quickly] The person on your show that just passed, this was someone who just passed like in the last couple of months right?
M: Mumble... weeks
E: Can I ask you something personal? [doesn't pause to see if he can]..Was it very uncomfortable for you to go see her? [Again, hedging his bets, obviously it is often uncomfortable in some way to see someone who is dying...uncomfortable could also be extended to mean painful, not just awkward]
M: Not really... [lol]
E: Let me say this then, I’m getting the feeling about somebody having fear..and being very uncomfortable about confronting this person while they’re ill. I feel like I’m supposed to say it’s ok, it’s ok
M: I got that one [again, very general. good chance that SOMEONE was scared and uncomfortable about this cast member dying...it's a death!!!]
E: Like an authority person on ur show, not on camera, but somebody behind the scenes...she’s making me feel like u need to thank them for what they’re doing..not what’s been done... what they’re doing...I don’t know if they’re dealing with the character in some way differently [well obviously..the frigging actor is DEAD]..or if they’re creating a whole other storyline as a result of that [again...obviously...she's dead!! they'll have to change the storyline] but she’s very excited that her essence is gonna open up the door for something completely different.
M: That’s very cool. They’re gonna keep her on as if they haven’t gone away, they’re gonna keep her in the story..that was a wonderful thing and I think she may not have known that.
E: They’re not recasting the role? [another question...]
M: They’re not gonna say she’s passed on, and she’s just gonna be off somewhere doing something so that character will still be present
E: The feeling that I have, is that I'm gonna have some better storylines now that I'm dead than I did when I was here (laughter) [no way of verifying this..all complete speculation..also interesting that this spirit can make jokes but couldn't say her own name or tell Edward who she was at first]...I will kind of go out a little bit further than where they are now and say that they are going to write this character out but in a very very big way [just a guess..any tv columnist could speculate the same], and I feel that’s what’s going to open up something else, something else, I don’t think that they’re going to replace this character in some way.
M: They can’t...
E: If you can let the kids/cast? know that she came through...
And again going back to your dad as best as I can say is that hopefully you will be able to find a little closure in letting that go and knowing that there he can look at things differently and that he’s not playing the same role as when he was here and that he can have a level of appreciation and understanding and acceptance that he didn’t jave when he was here..and he understands and he gets that.
So..I counted one hit (about the car accident..and really, it was just a good guess), three complete misses, and the rest was really like a second rate therapy session about getting closure from his dad.
The strangest thing was that when they did the post-reading interview of Moss he seemed really, really happy with the reading.
Anyway..these people make me really F*&^ing angry. I want them all to be exposed, when I see people break down over their dead children on these shows I just want to stab these self-proclaimed psychics in the frontal lobes for pissing all over these people's memories.
Anyway, this is my first post although I've been reading for a while and am I massive fan of Randi...nice to meet you all
Anna
I took the time to type up a short transcript of a reading with Ronn Moss (some guy from Bold and Beautiful..)..which Ross was very impressed with. No idea why. I counted only ONE thing that Edward didn't cold read and even this was just a good general guess.
* apologies in advance for the typos with spelling and grammar in here but Edward talks so damn fast I couldn't be bothered editing it
I couldn't post the youtube link but just go and type in john edward ronn moss and it's the first hit.
E - Edward
M - Moss
E: Biological Father has passed..your dad's passed?
M: Yes
E: Cause your dad’s coming through first [well then why didn't Edward just say that, why did he ask him], he’s making me feel like, I don’t know if he had a chance to see some of your success, was he not a supportive man when it came to your work?
M: No
E: No right [acting like it was his idea], he wanted u to go in a completely different direction, or he thought you were to go in a completely different direction [well obviously, if he wasn't supportive which Moss has already indicated, he would have wanted him to go in a different direction]
M:He always said, something else was goin...
E: He’s making me feel pink roses, and when I see pink roses it’s a way of expressing their love to you..but he’s got thorns on them..so when I see thorns on the roses it lets me know that in life your dad might not have been able to express himself to you emotionally, i don’t feel like he gives enough, i just don’t feel like he gives the ‘good job...I’m proud of you’ [Obviously again, Moss has already indicated that his father was not supportive, clearly someone who isn't supportive isn't going to talk about being proud of you]. Instead of feeling like the ‘that’s my son’ feeling, there was the ‘well what about me’ now..now all that sounds very negative, your dad wasn’t that negative a person but im just giving you the feelings of how he’s coming across to me.
M: Ok
E: He’s almost met up with either his sister or your mum cos he’s bringing through the female figure who’s coming through [Well who is it Edward..you are psychic after all...he is hedging his bets here because statistically either the mother or the auntie would possibly have also passed away, given the age - Moss is in his mid 50s]. This woman has a different energy for me, as your family is coming through to me they’re actually impressing upon me that as connected as you are they’re still disconnected, and I think that’s not just a them thing, I think that’s a you thing, i think you’ve insulated yourself so much..literally [nothing more than a good guess...Moss seems quite shy and reserved if this interview is anything to go by..people like that tend to insulate themselves]
M: Oh absolutely.
E: That you sometimes don’t get the energy coming through to you and you question it when it’s already there but their concern, specifically your mothers concern, is the disconnect that maybe you had from the brother figure or the disconnect that maybe you might be having within relationships here [nice out - if it's not his brother then he has idenitifed that it might just be other relationships...what a load of general crap, and most people have problems with either their siblings or other relationships]..that’s the big issue..the big issue is about relationships now..but there’s such a fear you have about people leaving you that you keep them almost over there or over there (motions) right where you can see them, never behind you, never never behind you, because then you can’t see what theyre doing and u have to be on top of everything at all times because you need to know emotionally and mentally exactly where you stand, be very careful of that because the universe will trip you up in a big, big way because we’re here as a lesson and the big message here is to be connected in the moment of it [connected in the moment of it? Nice vague new age babbling *******] so that you learn from it so that you don’t have to complete the same thing over again...did somebody just pass? [Again, Moss is in his mid 50s chances are he has a relative who has passed recently..auntie, uncle, friend etc...]
M: In my life?
E: Somebody just passed..is that the brother figure?
M: No..? [lol..statistical guess fail]
E: Who is the most recent passing for you?
M: Darlene..on my show
E: I’ll have to put her on hold for one second [he says put her on hold like he has made a spiritual connection with her, he didn't even know about her he had to be told]...did you come with somebody else? [oh just in case his driver or his assistant or whoever has someone who has recently died..so lame]
Like bring anyone with u?
M: Yes
E: Did they just recently lose somebody?
(girlfriend Devon called in)
E: Is this in the last year? [obviously, because you asked about recently..recently would mean in the last year]
Devon: yeah..six months
E: And he’d be responsible for this then correct?
Devon: yes..
E: He was driving or ??..[notice the framed question]
Devon: Yes, he was driving, it was an accident
E: But when somebody goes like this to me (motions) it’s like they’re taking on the responsibility for how it happens...so it’s as if he’s letting me know that, you know, speeding or whatever the case was that he takes on the responsibility like, how this takes place. [not really getting it right so he changes track quickly] The person on your show that just passed, this was someone who just passed like in the last couple of months right?
M: Mumble... weeks
E: Can I ask you something personal? [doesn't pause to see if he can]..Was it very uncomfortable for you to go see her? [Again, hedging his bets, obviously it is often uncomfortable in some way to see someone who is dying...uncomfortable could also be extended to mean painful, not just awkward]
M: Not really... [lol]
E: Let me say this then, I’m getting the feeling about somebody having fear..and being very uncomfortable about confronting this person while they’re ill. I feel like I’m supposed to say it’s ok, it’s ok
M: I got that one [again, very general. good chance that SOMEONE was scared and uncomfortable about this cast member dying...it's a death!!!]
E: Like an authority person on ur show, not on camera, but somebody behind the scenes...she’s making me feel like u need to thank them for what they’re doing..not what’s been done... what they’re doing...I don’t know if they’re dealing with the character in some way differently [well obviously..the frigging actor is DEAD]..or if they’re creating a whole other storyline as a result of that [again...obviously...she's dead!! they'll have to change the storyline] but she’s very excited that her essence is gonna open up the door for something completely different.
M: That’s very cool. They’re gonna keep her on as if they haven’t gone away, they’re gonna keep her in the story..that was a wonderful thing and I think she may not have known that.
E: They’re not recasting the role? [another question...]
M: They’re not gonna say she’s passed on, and she’s just gonna be off somewhere doing something so that character will still be present
E: The feeling that I have, is that I'm gonna have some better storylines now that I'm dead than I did when I was here (laughter) [no way of verifying this..all complete speculation..also interesting that this spirit can make jokes but couldn't say her own name or tell Edward who she was at first]...I will kind of go out a little bit further than where they are now and say that they are going to write this character out but in a very very big way [just a guess..any tv columnist could speculate the same], and I feel that’s what’s going to open up something else, something else, I don’t think that they’re going to replace this character in some way.
M: They can’t...
E: If you can let the kids/cast? know that she came through...
And again going back to your dad as best as I can say is that hopefully you will be able to find a little closure in letting that go and knowing that there he can look at things differently and that he’s not playing the same role as when he was here and that he can have a level of appreciation and understanding and acceptance that he didn’t jave when he was here..and he understands and he gets that.
So..I counted one hit (about the car accident..and really, it was just a good guess), three complete misses, and the rest was really like a second rate therapy session about getting closure from his dad.
The strangest thing was that when they did the post-reading interview of Moss he seemed really, really happy with the reading.
Anyway..these people make me really F*&^ing angry. I want them all to be exposed, when I see people break down over their dead children on these shows I just want to stab these self-proclaimed psychics in the frontal lobes for pissing all over these people's memories.
Anyway, this is my first post although I've been reading for a while and am I massive fan of Randi...nice to meet you all
Anna
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