John Derbyshire's advice to 'nonblack' parents

[Gazpacho]

National Review fires John Derbyshire

Editor Rich Lowry was seen on a street corner shaking his head and muttering "shocked, shocked!"

 

[MattusMaximus]

I never got this "talk" from my parents, nor did any of my friends.

I think John Derbyshire needs to go livein a deep hole, deeper than the one in which he apparently has been living in since the 1950s.

 

[Cain]

Wake up, white man.

 

[Juniversal]

I'm thinking Skip Gates' father.

Maybe. He certainly could've passed as completely white lol.

I'd say that they are more wary of black people than white people. Believe it or not real people PROFILE all the time.

It makes it necessary. Only fools don't cross the street.

You're clearly missing the point. Are there some intimidating black people? Of course. But to make the statement that you must actively avoid black men because they could pounce at any second is comical.

If I saw Wayne Brady, Bryant Gumble and Al Roker strolling down the street would I feel compelled to cross? Of course not. Why not? Because they're not thugs/thugish. To conflate the entire black population with thugs is completely patronizing and idiotic.
Not to mention its common sense to avoid crime ridden ghettos of any ilk but black middle class neighborhoods can be perfectly friendly. He's casting a very, very wide net.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Maybe. He certainly could've passed as completely white lol.



You're clearly missing the point. Are there some intimidating black people? Of course. But to make the statement that you must actively avoid black men because they could pounce at any second is comical.

If I saw Wayne Brady, Bryant Gumble and Al Roker strolling down the street would I feel compelled to cross? Of course not. Why not? Because they're not thugs/thugish. To conflate the entire black population with thugs is completely patronizing and idiotic.
Not to mention its common sense to avoid crime ridden ghettos of any ilk but black middle class neighborhoods can be perfectly friendly. He's casting a very, very wide net.

The rich neocon types are forever moralizing from their ivory gated environments


Only fools don't cross the street.

But to make the statement that you must actively avoid black men because they could pounce at any second is comical.

Wow. That's certainly an unwarranted and ridiculous stretch.

 

[Juniversal]

The rich neocon types are forever moralizing from their ivory gated environments

Not sure how this relates to anything I said.

Only fools don't cross the street.

Umm okay.

Wow. That's certainly an unwarranted and ridiculous stretch.

Really? Isn't that the essence of his diatribe?

 

[BrainRotMenacer]

I'm sure black parents give pretty much the same talk as the highlighted.

It's really boring how people like yourself make it seem that blacks are just tickled pink with whites.

A social experiment is in order.

Select a black and white muscle bound guy.

Send the black guy into a bar in a white neighborhood with a gorgeous white woman hanging all over him for three hours.

Send the white guy into a bar in a black neighborhood with a gorgeous black woman hanging all over him for 3 hours.

Send the black guy into a bar in a white neighborhood with a gorgeous black woman hanging all over him for 3 hours.

Send the white guy into a bar in a black neighborhood with a gorgeous white woman hanging all over him for 3 hours.

I must be naïve; I don't understand what to make of this. I guess I am supposed to expect a different response from each scenario?

 

[332nd]

I'd say that they are more wary of black people than white people. Believe it or not real people PROFILE all the time.

Nope.don't do that either. I'm more wary of crazy/stupid people, race isn't in the equation...

You really know nothing about black people do you?

 

[Clayton Moore]

Nope.don't do that either. I'm more wary of crazy/stupid people, race isn't in the equation...

You really know nothing about black people do you?

I graduated from Shoemaker Junior High in Philadelphia. Black people looked out for me all the time.

 

[332nd]

I graduated from Shoemaker Junior High in Philadelphia. Black people looked out for me all the time.

Irrelevant, even if its true.

In this thread you've shown a distinct lack of knowledge.

 

[Clayton Moore]

I must be naïve; I don't understand what to make of this. I guess I am supposed to expect a different response from each scenario?

The point is that after three hours the white guys are very likely to get their ass in a sling. And that the black guys definitely won't.

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

If I saw Wayne Brady, Bryant Gumble and Al Roker strolling down the street would I feel compelled to cross?

I would.

Al Roker is such a sweet, adorable guy I'd feel compelled to solicit a hug or something and since I try not to fawn over celebs I'd want to avoid him.

 

[Juniversal]

A social experiment is in order.

Select a black and white muscle bound guy.

Send the black guy into a bar in a white neighborhood with a gorgeous white woman hanging all over him for three hours.

Send the white guy into a bar in a black neighborhood with a gorgeous black woman hanging all over him for 3 hours.

Send the black guy into a bar in a white neighborhood with a gorgeous black woman hanging all over him for 3 hours.

Send the white guy into a bar in a black neighborhood with a gorgeous white woman hanging all over him for 3 hours.

Your experiment needs added context. Whether the white bar is a redneck biker bar in the south or a hipster college crowd makes a world of difference. Same goes for the black bar.

I would.

Al Roker is such a sweet, adorable guy I'd feel compelled to solicit a hug or something and since I try not to fawn over celebs I'd want to avoid him.

I may have to cross the street to avoid the gravitational pull of their "cornyness".

 

[leftysergeant]

Your experiment needs added context. Whether the white bar is a redneck biker bar in the south or a hipster college crowd makes a world of difference. Same goes for the black bar.

No ****. I'm white and I would not take a white woman into a biker bar. Maybe into a place with live country-western music. (They tend to be a little bit classier than juke-joints.) I hit a couple places in Nashville back in 1979 with a black Peace Corps trainee just before both of us shipped out to distant places. Didn't much matter to anybody regardless the racial mix. Music brings all sorts of people together.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Was mich nicht umbringt veraergert mich dennoch.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

Judging from the stats of black on black violence perhaps they should be.

I myself am afraid of Americans. The US homicide rate is 4.8/100k, whereas it's only 1.4/100k in my country. Judging by those stats, I should be 3.4 times more scared of Americans than my own countrymen. I do note however that the vast majority of violence in the US is yank on yank, so perhaps I have less to fear than they do from themselves...

Another alarming statistic I just discovered is that 76% of Americans are Christians. This simple fact can only lead to one conclusion, that you are 3 times more likely to be assaulted by a Christian than anybody else! Shocking, but true...

The evidence is incontrovertible, but some statistically challenged apologists would have us believe that other factors may be to blame. For example, it has been suggested that blacks are more likely to be poor, and that there is a strong correlation between violence and poverty, so it's just a 'coincidence' that there's more black on black violence (didn't they ever stop to think why blacks are more likely to be poor? It's because they are black, duh!). Some have even suggested that individual traits have much more impact than a person's race, nationality or religion. Of course this is all nonsense, as the statistics prove otherwise.

So the next time you see some figures proving that blacks are more violent, you can be confident that those statistics cannot lie, there are never any confounding factors, and that collecting and analyzing statistical data based on race does not in any way perpetuate racist stereotypes.

 

[leftysergeant]

Was mich nicht umbringt veraergert mich dennoch.

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You caught that I have a problem editing mistakes. I'm old. This computer doesn't always act the way that i expect it to. Sooner or later, insh'allah, I will get in there and fix that. It might take some time. I still speak better German, Latin and Korean than I do Cybergeek.

 

[Juniversal]

I myself am afraid of Americans. The US homicide rate is 4.8/100k, whereas it's only 1.4/100k in my country. Judging by those stats, I should be 3.4 times more scared of Americans than my own countrymen. I do note however that the vast majority of violence in the US is yank on yank, so perhaps I have less to fear than they do from themselves...

Not to mention the murder rate in certain Mexican border cities make our worst ghettos look like Disneyland in comparison. Many black on black murders in this country revolve around the same activity that spurs border city violence (drugs).

 

[Brainster]

Some of the advice is sensible; some of it is clearly racist. Given that it's Derb and it's appearing in Taki's Mag, the latter is hardly surprising.

 

[brenn]

Given that John Derbyshire's wife of several decades is Chinese, I suspect that this is probably satire along the lines of A Modest Proposal... On the other hand, statistics don't lie--or do they? Maybe the problem is that we're tracking crimes by race in the first place?

Because if the statistics show that various races correlate with various types of crime, the easiest solution is to stop collecting the statistics so we don't know.

I haven't looked at JREF for many months, but it sure doesn't change.