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Jogging in Georgia while black.

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dirtywick said:
I'm sure it's obvious to everyone else, but engaging with someone who wrote something that comically stupid is a waste of your time. I'm not sure what he's after but it's not an honest discussion.
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Do not mistake talking at him for talking to him.
 
Bogative said:
I have personally been on hundreds of jobsites in my life and there are two things I've never seen, 1) strangers walking around the project for curiosity's sake, 2) security cameras on the inside of a building that is under construction.

It's almost as if the homeowner installed security cameras because someone had previously trespassed and stole his belongings.

Something I have seen quite regularly in rural parts of the country is people setting up game cams outside of their project that is under construction, and it's not to capture images of wild game on their property. It was to try to catch the people who were trespassing and stealing their stuff.

Kinda strange how the curious jogger showed up on those security cameras, at night, previously. And came back later to mill around the jobsite again. Just how curious was this not-a-jogger?

In fact, I'm getting ready to head to a job site now that is in a similar state of completion as the one Ahmuad not-a-jogger Arbery was trespassing in the day he was killed. I'll check and see if they have any security cameras set up to catch joggers.
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Good for you, I've personally walked into and around homes under construction in the evening more times than I can remember.
 
dirtywick said:
I'm sure it's obvious, but engaging with someone who wrote something that comically stupid is a waste of your time. I'm not sure what he's after but it's not an honest discussion.
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Well, yeah, but I'm arguing against a position that we see on the Kyle Rittenhouse thread and elsewhere. There is a kind of thinking that people can assume police powers if no police are around, and take matters into their own hands by right of the gun. Those powers are very limited, and fo sho not met here.

There's another school of thought that says a knee-gro is one of them thar second class citizens and has to take what's a-coming to him. That argument, I'm not dignifying
 
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lobosrul5 said:
Good for you, I've personally walked into and around homes under construction in the evening more times than I can remember.
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I'm a building contractor, and on new construction, if the site is quiet and open, people stroll in frequently to check things out. On remodels, where people are, or appear to be, living in the house, never.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Interesting. So was the rundown of Arberry's past petty criminal behavior false?
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I don't know. I do know that putting a lawyer's signature and seal on a document, then filing it in Georgia, doesn't make anything on that paper true. See Lin Wood, Sydney Powell, Rudy Giuliani et al.
 
JoeMorgue said:
The point, and you damn well know it because everyone damn well knows it, is that you can't murder people for trespassing.
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Pretty sure I never said it was ok to murder people for trespassing.

quadraginta said:
It seems weird to me that you think it's weird. Construction sites are well-known to be endlessly fascinating to people of all ages.

Have you ever walked by a downtown jobsite with tall plywood walls for the safety of passersby? Have you noticed they they usually have small openings so that those same bypassers can sneak a few glimpses of what's going on inside?

The companies who are doing the building often put them there on purpose, just because wanting to look at ongoing construction is so ubiquitous.

The last company I worked with would set up webcams on their big projects and make them accessible online. My wife could see me at work with her laptop.
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Having a look is one thing, going out of your way to wander inside someone else's part-built property is something else. Yes, I find it strange.

Oh and before Joe goes off on one again, no, I don't think it's ok to shoot someone you find trespassing on a construction site.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It seems weird to you that neighbors enter properties under construction in their neighborhoods out of curiosity?

It's pretty normal around here. I've never seen a no trespassing sign.
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Yeah I do, I don't see what the fascination is. As regards your your no sign, do you have a no trespassing sign on your property? Would have thought it's common knowledge you're not allowed to just go wandering around other peoples property without their consent.
 
I think that I posted it way back in the beginning of this thread, but I have done a bunch of nosing around in construction sites, all back when I was a teenager. On the high school track team, we used to run by partially-built subdivisions and use them as a place to pee in semi-privacy from the street.
 
RolandRat said:
Pretty sure I never said it was ok to murder people for trespassing.
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Then what are we talking about?

Or are you doing the roundabout "I'm not saying he could be murdered for trespassing, but the McMichaels were allowed to roll up in brandishing weapons and were then forced to defend themselves when Arbery fought back instead of just meekly surrendering to their non-authority."
 
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RolandRat said:
Yeah I do, I don't see what the fascination is. As regards your your no sign, do you have a no trespassing sign on your property? Would have thought it's common knowledge you're not allowed to just go wandering around other peoples property without their consent.
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It goes without saying that although you don’t see why, some people are interested in things you are not interested in. Those people consider construction sites differently since there are no occupants at the property. Same with abandoned schools, hospitals, warehouses, cemeteries, old barns, etc.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Then what are we talking about?

Or are you doing the roundabout "I'm not saying he could be murdered for trespassing, but the McMichaels were allowed to roll up in brandishing weapons and were then forced to defend themselves when Arbery fought back instead of just meekly surrendering to his authority."
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I was responding to a very specific point. That people seem to go wandering around other peoples property and think it's ok. My point started, and ended, there.
 
RolandRat said:
I was responding to a very specific point. That people seem to go wandering around other peoples property and think it's ok. My point started, and ended, there.
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That's not how discussions or reality work, but whatever.
 
Bogative said:
I have personally been on hundreds of jobsites in my life and there are two things I've never seen, 1) strangers walking around the project for curiosity's sake, 2) security cameras on the inside of a building that is under construction.
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I have personally been on hundreds of jobsites in my life and there are two things I very often see, 1) strangers walking around the project for curiosity's sake, 2) security cameras on the inside of a building that is under construction.
 
RolandRat said:
I have no idea what you're getting at. Do you really think you can't discuss one particular narrow issue?
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*Sighs* I give up.

I hope half this board has their dream wedding, and when their best man gives the toast to your new spouse, they choose that moment to remind everyone of the dangers of syphillis because "Hey why can't I discuss this one particular narrow issue right now?"

"What I decide to talk about and win" is not a free action. Context is a thing that exists. I will not explain it further.
 
JoeMorgue said:
*Sighs* I give up.

I hope half this board has their dream wedding, and when their best man gives the toast to your new spouse, they choose that moment to remind everyone of the dangers of syphillis because "Hey why can't I discuss this one particular narrow issue right now?"

"What I decide to talk about and win" is not a free action. Context is a thing that exists. I will not explain it further.
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Ridiculous analogy. I said I don't agree with people trespassing on other peoples property in response to someone who says they often do it.

You instantly decided to jump in with both feet and insinuate I think it's ok to murder people for trespassing and I'm a racist apologist.

Oh and you're right, context is a thing.
 
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