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Matthew Best said:
Yes, of course. That was your claim. You said it was reported that "there is another video of the shooting". You've been asked to provide such reports, which you also said were from "several reputable sources". So far, crickets.
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"More videos in the Ahmaud Arbery case show the fatal shooting at different angles, according to attorney"

BRUNSWICK, Ga. — Other videos in the Ahmaud Arbery case will not be released until trial or when the investigation into Arbery’s death is finished.

Action News Jax learned another video showing a second angle in Arbery’s shooting was taken, Arbery family attorney Lee Merritt said.
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https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/...ccording-attorney/YWGIFUPMNZAH7MN7UKBC6FF4NQ/


"Ahmaud Arbery: Attorneys for Gregory McMichael say they have more video of shooting"

MACON, Ga. — The attorneys representing one of the men charged with the murder of Ahmaud Arbery held their first news conference Friday morning.

Channel 2’s Tom Jones was in Macon, where the attorneys said this is not the hate crime that some think it is and that there is more than one video of the shooting that killed Arbery.

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Gregory McMichael’s attorneys said people have come to conclusions based on videos released, but they say they also have other videos, even of the shooting.
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https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/ah...-time-since-arrest/OA66BNRQPZASXO7XFWK3LEMG54

Now, these two articles were from (about) a week and a week and a half ago, respectively. If we were to take the reported words literally, then, it would sure sound like there is more video of the actual shooting.

...though I suppose the lawyers from both sides could have just been a little loose with their language about the rest of Bryan's video. Time will tell, I guess.
 
CaptainHowdy said:
Nothing you said refutes what I said. To reiterate, I said that skin color wasn't a factor in what happened that day. Or, at least I haven't heard any evidence that skin color had anything to do with what happened that day.

Arbery was chased because he was suspected of committing a crime. He was shot because he charged at Travis. If he had been white and had acted exactly the same way, the same thing would have happened.

Whether or not the McMichael's were justified in doing what they did is a different question.
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Okay, so you're not disputing that they're murderers. Good. You weren't so sure previously:

CaptainHowdy said:
That will depend on Georgia's laws regarding self-defense, stand your ground, brandishing a firearm, carrying a loaded gun, etc. I know in California, the actions that Travis took prior to defending himself are illegal. I'm not familiar with Georgia laws.
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CaptainHowdy said:
This is about as clear a case of self-defense as you'll find. But systemic racism in the United States will guarantee the McMichaels will be convicted because it's de facto illegal for white people to defend themselves against non-whites.
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I have a feeling the wellspring of public evidence has come to an end. Everyone involved has been arrested for felony murder. Surely they all have lawyers now and the days of them releasing incriminating evidence against themselves is over.

Now for the long wait as the trial winds through the courts.

Roddie might still get a chance for bond, but the McMicahels are being held pre-trial. Let them rot in jail while this runs its course.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I have a feeling the wellspring of public evidence has come to an end. Everyone involved has been arrested for felony murder. Surely they all have lawyers now and the days of them releasing incriminating evidence against themselves is over.

Now for the long wait as the trial winds through the courts.

Roddie might still get a chance for bond, but the McMicahels are being held pre-trial. Let them rot in jail while this runs its course.
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*shrug* I'd like to say that, based on evidence, they'll spend a long time in prison for sure, but this is America, so you can never be sure.
 
Mumbles said:
*shrug* I'd like to say that, based on evidence, they'll spend a long time in prison for sure, but this is America, so you can never be sure.
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I suspect there is much more evidence, especially since the GBI is involved and actually treating this like a crime unlike the previous set of investigators.

My point is that most of the evidence we have now come from the days when the murderers felt like they had gotten away with the crime. The video of the murder came from the murderers themselves, meaning at some point they leaked it. This seems like the actions of men confident in their safety from the law.

Now that they are being prosecuted, they will have clammed up. The GBI probably has more evidence than we know about, but we won't see it until the trial. Who knows how long that will be.

I agree that, even now, there's probably enough to convict in any fair court. I suspect there's even more evidence that will make conviction even more likely, but it hasn't been made public. We already know there's a longer video, which we can suspect contains longer footage of the lynch mob chasing Arbery for several minutes.
 
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So, the two other top threads in this subforum at the moment are one in which there is video footage of a white woman pretending to the cops that her life is being threatened by a black man, and the other is of a black man on the ground, repeatedly saying that he can't breathe with a cop kneeling on his neck until he is dead.

Given these things can anybody posting in this thread who is of the opinion that Arbrey should have just surrendered to the McMichaels understand why a black man might bsee a group of armed white people as a threat to his life, even if he knew the cops were on their way, even if he were to surrender, and even if he was completely innocent of any wrongdoing?
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAgD8pvdQ7k

A decent summing up of the case. He disagrees with the suggestions that the killers were defending themselves as they were the aggressors and were not actually standing their ground as they chased the victim down.

He also discusses the citizen's arrest defense saying that the McMichael's use of this defense will not work as they did not have legal standing to make an arrest.

He also disagrees with the "McMichael was a deputy" claim.
 
Stop bickering, please.
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All indications are that the GBI are quite critical of the initial prosecutors decisions to not pursue the case. They arrested the McMichaels within 36 hours of taking over the case.

Remains extremely unclear, and IMO unlikely, that this will have any criminal consequences. Local prosecutors have sweeping power to make these kinds of decisions.

Unless this costs the DA an election, there doesn't seem to be an real downside for having done this coverup.
 
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CaptainHowdy said:
Arbery maybe did sensible things until he decided to attack a man holding a shotgun and try to disarm him by grabbing the barrel. There was no ambush. Arbery could've kept running. Death is always a probable outcome when you physically assault a person who is better able to defend himself. It's not rocket science.
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He was likely half way through his workout. He had just spent the last 4 minutes running for his life. Odds are he was going to hit the proverbial wall. How much running do you think he had in him?

They were lying in wait for him, with another vehicle herding him into the trap.

He did try to outrun the trucks. It didn't work.
 
Nearly 70 pages into a thread about his murder and we're still critiquing the dead guy's tactical decisions.

"LOL at frame 34 of the video why didn't he use a Krav Maga Type 3 disarm maneuver and transition into a Muay Thai elbow block? That would have taken care of the armed person. Then he should have grabbed the pencil out of the disarmed person's pocket as they fell to the ground and threw it into the second person's eye socket. That's what I would have done and I'm a Ninja Navy Seal with over 30 confirmed kills. Then he could have pulled the hood of the truck and torn out the fuel line with his teeth. Stupid dead guy."
 
Leftus said:
He was likely half way through his workout. He had just spent the last 4 minutes running for his life. Odds are he was going to hit the proverbial wall. How much running do you think he had in him?

They were lying in wait for him, with another vehicle herding him into the trap.

He did try to outrun the trucks. It didn't work.
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Because he stayed on the asphalt.

Just as something we can pull out of this as a cautionary tale: don't try to outrun trucks on the street. The odds are against you.

Cut across a lawn and get out of dodge. Please forumites, please...dont try to outrun trucks on the street or take a long run towards some psycho with a shotgun. Get the **** out of there.
 
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Thermal said:
Because he stayed on the asphalt.

Just as something we can pull out of this as a cautionary tale: don't try to outrun trucks on the street. The odds are against you.

Cut across a lawn and get out of dodge. Please forumites, please...dont try to outrun trucks on the street or take a long run towards some psycho with a shotgun. Get the **** out of there.
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Or maybe the cautionary tale should be not to chase people around with guns on the suspicion of maybe having committed a crime?

"Why didn't this person act rationally while being chased by gun-wielding men in trucks?"
 
Garb said:
Or maybe the cautionary tale should be not to chase people around with guns on the suspicion of maybe having committed a crime?

"Why didn't this person act rationally while being chased by gun-wielding men in trucks?"
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I take the McMichaels actions as a given crime. So when faced with such criminals, what's the move?

Cooperate with/submit to them? Hellz no.

Stay on the open street where they have every advantage, vehicular and preparatory? Hellz no.

Get off the street and under cover of other properties. Move fast and away from the nuts.
 
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