Jogging in Georgia while black.

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Nothing that happened that day was race related. Arbery wasn't being chased because he was black. He was being chased because he was suspected of trespassing.

Are you sure that's the account you want to go with? Because the McMichaels are saying that they were attempting a citizens arrest. You know what a citizens arrest requires? Direct knowledge of a felony. You know what trespassing is not? A felony. You what that makes what the McMichaels did? A felony. And you know what you're guilty of if someone is killed while you're committing a felony? Murder.

So are you sure that's why you want to say they were chasing him?

You've also demonstrated that the "self defence" argument doesn't hold up, too, BTW. You cannot claim self defence while committing a felony.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Legally, it is not an issue.

It might be. The GBI are looking in to whether it can be classed as a hate crime.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

I think we'd have either seen it by now, or it would have been reported somewhere (other than in the imagination of internet posters).

Nah. We definitely don't have access to all the video in the case, and that is being reported.

 

[Darat]

Are you sure that's the account you want to go with? Because the McMichaels are saying that they were attempting a citizens arrest. You know what a citizens arrest requires? Direct knowledge of a felony. You know what trespassing is not? A felony. You what that makes what the McMichaels did? A felony. And you know what you're guilty of if someone is killed while you're committing a felony? Murder.

So are you sure that's why you want to say they were chasing him?

You've also demonstrated that the "self defence" argument doesn't hold up, too, BTW. You cannot claim self defence while committing a felony.

It is amazing how people who don’t want to accept the victim as being innocent have to claim the murderers told the police a pack of lies!

 

[TomB]

He ran around the truck the fourth time and instead of continuing to run down the road in the same direction, he made a 45 degree turn at the front of the truck and ran towards McMichael. That's when he was shot.

Exactly how long would he have been required to play hot box with these thugs who were threatening him with guns before it would be acceptable for him to attempt a more active defense?

 

[Skeptical Greg]

It is amazing how people who don’t want to accept the victim as being innocent have to claim the murderers told the police a pack of lies!

The bottom line to me seems to be, that nothing in this incident warranted Arbery being executed. ( murdered )

 

[JoeMorgue]

Exactly how long would he have been required to play hot box with these thugs who were threatening him with guns before it would be acceptable for him to attempt a more active defense?

The racists have been kind enough to explain this to us.

He should have meekly and calmly submitted to his white masters and stood there on the side of the street in broad daylight with multiple armed men hovering around him and waited for the police to come and sort it out.

ETA: "Explain this too is?" I cannot brain today. I have the dumb.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Nah. We definitely don't have access to all the video in the case, and that is being reported.

Ah yes the mythical "Thing the black guide did that proves he deserved it" that always exists just outside the known facts in all racist encounters.

 

[IsThisTheLife]

It is abundantly clear, aka "real simple", that you, as a mortal, are destined to die sooner rather than later in the scheme of the cosmos. Shall we hurry that along for you? Minor blip, statistically speaking, but think of the misery you'll be saved! It's the Christian thing to do, after all. Aw, shucks, now I'm misting up, what with these holy inclinations inspiring me so.

The wisdom, the profundity you evince - truly, we are blessed.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

The racists have been kind enough to explain this too is.

He should have meekly and calmly submitted to his white masters and stood there on the side of the street in broad daylight with multiple armed men hovering around him and waited trusted for the police to come and sort it out.

Slight adjustment, hope you don't mind

 

[Babbylonian]

The racists have been kind enough to explain this too is.

He should have meekly and calmly submitted to his white masters and stood there on the side of the street in broad daylight with multiple armed men hovering around him and waited for the police to come and sort it out.

...and trust his masters not to immediately punish him.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

...and trust his masters not to immediately punish him.

Hah! It's nice to be the ninja and the ninja'd!

 

[Babbylonian]

Hah! It's nice to be the ninja and the ninja'd!

It's so ******* obvious to those of us not blinded by racism that Ahmaud had absolutely zero reason to believe that giving up would save his life. ****, even uniformed cops will shoot unarmed black people lying on the ground. Why should any black person trust random armed rednecks not to kill them, especially after being pursued like this?

 

[johnny karate]

That doesn't make any sense, johnny.

I can believe pit bulls are inherently more dangerous than other dog breeds but still believe that, in any given scenario, it is the manifested actual behavior (in the real world) of the specific pit bull in question which results in it being shot by a police officer or put down by a veterinarian.

Likewise, it is clearly the case that in almost all instances, the bad outcomes of black people (whether that be ending up dead or in prison or poor or whatever) can be traced very clearly to specific actions they took, and that black people who don't take those sorts of actions tend to do alright and stay out of trouble.

Believing pits are more dangerous than other breeds and blacks are more dangerous than other races doesn't negate the importance of actual events playing out for each specific case, and doesn't conflict with an understanding that (with statistics being what they are) there will of course be non-violent examples (and lots of them, in fact) for both.

"More likely" does not mean "a total 100% certainty this individual will be violent" and accepting that higher likelihood does not mean you lose the ability to assess specific cases and events.

Sorry, but racists can have it both ways.

You can’t offer racist justifications for another racist’s actions and then declare with a certainly absent any corroborating evidence that the racist incident in question wasn’t actually racist.

CaptainHowdy literally provided a racist justification for what these racist murderers did, and now wants to pretend that it somehow doesn’t apply.

Either consistently maintain the “I’m not a racist” charade or own your racism.

There is no middle ground.

 

[Matthew Best]

Nah. We definitely don't have access to all the video in the case, and that is being reported.

Reported by you, yes. But even you can't remember where you heard it.

So I'm putting it down as a rumour started by anonymous internet posters.

 

[Blue Mountain]

It's so ******* obvious to those of us not blinded by racism that Ahmaud had absolutely zero reason to believe that giving up would save his life. ****, even uniformed cops will shoot unarmed black people lying on the ground. Why should any black person trust random armed rednecks not to kill them, especially after being pursued like this?

Not only that, but did Ahmaud have any reason to believe the police were coming to the scene? All he could see were white guys with guns continually blocking his path.

 

[smartcooky]

The Georgia law has been referenced on this thread. Although it hasn't been proven (on this thread at least) that they pointed a gun at Arbery, all the prosecution has to show is that A reasonable person would be afraid of immediate bodily injury. That would mean they were committing a felony (prior to Abery charging McMichael) and so would be liable for the shooting.

- We know that Travis was to the left side of the front of the pickup truck when he shot Arbury the first time.

- We know that Arbury had just come around from the right side of the pickup truck, and was no closer than 2/3 the width of the pickup truck away from Travis (about 4-5 ft) when he was first shot,

- We know the first shot hit Arbury in the chest.

Its pretty damned difficult to shoot someone in the chest while holding a shotgun, without pointing it at them first.

 

[IsThisTheLife]

Sorry, but racists can have it both ways.

You can’t offer racist justifications for another racist’s actions and then declare with a certainly absent any corroborating evidence that the racist incident in question wasn’t actually racist. CaptainHowdy literally provided a racist justification for what these racist murderers did, and now wants to pretend that it somehow doesn’t apply.

Either consistently maintain the “I’m not a racist” charade or own your racism.
There is no middle ground.

Do you want those "racist" facts and figures for violent crime correlated to race quoted at you again? Probably not.

 

[Bob001]

Do you want those "racist" facts and figures for violent crime correlated to race quoted at you again? Probably not.

You can play any games with numbers that help you sleep better. The simple fact is that Arbery hadn't committed a crime and if he had the McMichaels hadn't observed it, and they had no legal grounds to pursue Arbery, let alone confront him at gunpont, let alone shoot him three times. Nothing else matters.

 

[bruto]

...and trust his masters not to immediately punish him.

Too late for that if they were already chasing him for his bad manners, which, we are assured by the not-at-all-racist-perish-the-thought egalitarians here, contributed to his unfortunate but predictable demise.