Jogging in Georgia while black.

[Skeptic Tank]

in self defense, sure. It would be a more just conclusion if the McMichaels were both dead and Arbery still alive.

I think it'd be an awful lot of fun if I could clone 500 copies of the McMichaels family and 500 copies of the Arbery family and then you had to live in each of the resulting neighborhoods I'd populate with said clones, for a year each.

Would be eye opening for you, I think.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Would the Arbrey clones have frightening haircuts, or would they be more like your hero Bill Cosby? This is important information.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

You KNOW that quip will go right over the head of the poster its aimed at, right?

Well, if they have any particularly large bumps on the top of their head it may skim them...

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Well, now I'm confused. Bill Cosby used to sport an afro:

Skeptic Tank - does this mean that he is no longer the epitome of what it means to be a good black person? And by "a good black person", I mean "someone Skeptic Tank wouldn't be glad to see shot and killed".

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Quite the disparity in which ST is parsing the reactions of the deceased Arbery vs the actions of the two killers.

According to ST, Arbery fleeing and ultimately fighting is a clear indication that he is an antagonist to law enforcement and a belligerent menace to society.

The McMichaels wildly disproportionate response to a daylight trespass doesn't elicit the same psychoanalytical speculation. The McMichaels instantaneous response to arm themselves and initiate a high-stakes confrontation is not an action worth examining for motive.

The McMichaels exercised the overwhelming majority of initiative in this murder. Again and again, they made increasingly blunderous and criminal decisions, escalating the situation. But, according to ST, the real culpability lies in the split-second reactions of Arbery.

I guess if you accept "White Fear" as the natural and reasonable state of mind, I suppose it makes sense.

Show some compassion. Can you imagine how terrible it must feel to go through life having been persuaded to mortally fear so many of your fellow citizens?

 

[TurkeysGhost]

I think it'd be an awful lot of fun if I could clone 500 copies of the McMichaels family and 500 copies of the Arbery family and then you had to live in each of the resulting neighborhoods I'd populate with said clones, for a year each.

Would be eye opening for you, I think.

I'd prefer the McMichaels, but only because I know I'd be able to steal a lot of handguns out of unlocked trucks. I could probably retire early off the proceeds.

Not too bright, those boys.

 

[Thermal]

I'd much rather live around Arberys, just based on the odds of getting shot.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

I'd much rather live around Arberys, just based on the odds of getting shot.

 

[smartcooky]

But kick that around anyway: did they jump out and shoot the first time they tried to 'talk' with him? Did they start aiming or shooting prior to Arbery running right at them? No.

We actually don't know that because the other 3½ minutes of Roddy's video leading up to the clip we have seen, has never been shown to the public.

Also, the video timeline review linked earlier clearly shows that Travis shot Arbury before Arbury attacked him (that shot was to Arbury's torso).

 

[Mumbles]

Incidentally, can I just point out that there's a certain irony in making your judgement that a black person is a law-abiding citizen on the fact that they're dressed like Bill Cosby? Because he's a fine, upstanding citizen that anybody should be proud to call one of the good ones.

And if that became common, they'd note that. And if black boys and young men all wore suits and ties, people would swear they were trying to look like they were in Goodfellas. Just like do-rags are meant to keep up your hairdo, wavecaps are really just meant to get waves in your hair, and nobody actually knows where sagging your pants comes from, but all 3 are supposedly meant to "make you look like a thug" according to many, particularly people who have no insight into black American culture as a whole.

 

[I Am The Scum]

And if that became common, they'd note that. And if black boys and young men all wore suits and ties, people would swear they were trying to look like they were in Goodfellas. Just like do-rags are meant to keep up your hairdo, wavecaps are really just meant to get waves in your hair, and nobody actually knows where sagging your pants comes from, but all 3 are supposedly meant to "make you look like a thug" according to many, particularly people who have no insight into black American culture as a whole.

Back with the Trayvon case, Fox News personalities Geraldo Rivera and Bill O'Reilly both agreed that a hooded sweatshirt was a "thug uniform." As it turns out, there are photos of both of these men having worn this "uniform" previously. As I recall, they were even side by side in their photos.

 

[arthwollipot]

"Police officers arrive within seconds of the shooting"

Within seconds? How many seconds? Five? Thirty? A hundred and twenty?\

"Within seconds" is a phrase that, to me, suggests a timeframe within two to five seconds. This means that there were police on the scene as the incident occurred. Police in a position to witness the incident. Has anyone taken their statements?

 

[arthwollipot]

By the way, there's a statement from Arbery's lawyer regarding the 2017 incident, which will elicit a predictable response.

'Criminalization of blackness': Arbery lawyer weighs in on 2017 Taser incident

Police attempted to tase Ahmaud Arbery as he was alone in a park – this in itself was suspicious to them, says attorney S Lee Merritt


A 2017 incident in which police attempted to use a Taser on Ahmaud Arbery offers a glimpse into the mentality that this year led two white men to chase him down and kill him, an attorney representing Arbery’s family said on Tuesday...

[summary of case redacted]...

S Lee Merritt, the family attorney, said the incident showed how Arbery could attract suspicion just because of the color of his skin.

“The same reason that Ahmaud Arbery was killed was the same reason he was stopped in that park: it was the criminalization of blackness itself,” Merritt said at a press conference on Tuesday.

Merritt said he did not know if Arbery had told his family about the incident.

“They saw a black man alone in the park and they said, ‘You know what, this appears suspicious.’”

Brandon Condo, a spokesman for the Glynn county police department, declined to comment on the 2017 incident.

 

[Mumbles]

Back with the Trayvon case, Fox News personalities Geraldo Rivera and Bill O'Reilly both agreed that a hooded sweatshirt was a "thug uniform." As it turns out, there are photos of both of these men having worn this "uniform" previously. As I recall, they were even side by side in their photos.

Bingo. What makes them "suspicious" or "gangsta" is the fact that black people commonly wear them, not anything about the clothing itself.

(Now, in the real world, when police had to literally beat up a young black woman and her child before Di Blasio said "Okay, we're going to back off from now on", and where tactics like the one in the Aubry tape with the cops are common, it would make vastly more sense to describe a police uniform as "thuggish", what with the holdings for various weapons, the authority badges, and so forth - but all of this is for other threads)

 

[arthwollipot]

I wear a hoodie, and I'm pale blue.

 

[Checkmite]

The incident, previously described by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, escalated when Arbery began to question why the officer, Michael Kanago, was hassling him. Kanago claimed he began to feel threatened by Arbery, later writing in his report that “veins were popping from [Arbery’s] chest, which made me feel that he was becoming enraged and may turn physically violent towards me”.

Oh Jesus Christ, give me a break.

 

[quadraginta]

<snip>


The prosecutor is going to fight like hell to exclude evidence of Arbery's prior bad conduct on the grounds of relevance. We don't know how the judge will rule and what the jury will hear.

At any rate, the defense wouldn't have much to work with. The gun charge which, if Arbery had been white, the 2A crowd would have been vehemently defending him over, a probation violation, presumably involving probation from said gun incident, and a shoplifting accusation which appears to have been dropped, since there was no trial or conviction.

That's pretty much it, as far as I know. Tough to build a violent criminal thug argument out of that, even if they get to use it all.

 

[quadraginta]

"In the video an officer patrolling the area suspected Arbery of using marijuana, saying he was in a park known for drug activity."

Seriously? Do you realize how often cops use the "I can smell marijuana" lie to justify probable cause to search and detain drivers, especially black drivers?

I know of at least one incident, when my wife and I were sitting on the beach and someone saw me rolling a (tobacco) cigarette.

The cop said he smelled the pot from the parking lot. A neat trick, since the parking lot was hundreds of yards away, on the other side of twenty foot sand dunes, and the wind was going out to sea.

Cops have remarkably acute senses of smell.

 

[quadraginta]

I wear a hoodie, and I'm pale blue.

We don't want your kind around here!!!

 

[I Am The Scum]

Anyone who says afros are intimidating is afraid of Bob Ross.