Jogging in Georgia while black.

[tanabear]

"Jogging while black" is the new "Hands up, don't shoot." A fake meme for the woke generation.

Correction: wild level of being incarcerated. That is not equivalent to criminality.

I am saying looking strictly to rates of incarceration for an entire race does not equate to an entire race having a higher propensity to commit crimes.

The Obama Administration’s own Bureau of Justice Statistics reported in 2011 that from 1980 to 2008, blacks alone made up 52 percent of homicide offenders, despite being only about 13 percent of the population.

The complete denial of basic reality is a huge issue on the Left. It is the reason why many of our once great cities (Baltimore, Detroit, St. Louis) are cauldrons of violence and decay.

Looks like some new night footage and a story about an earlier confrontation he had with the McMichaels:

This is known as Narrative Collapse.

Text: Diego Perez to Larry English:
"Goodness. If you catch someone on your cameras, let me know right away, I can respond in mere seconds. It's totally up to you. Our yards connect in the back and I can go either way, through the front or back, with your permission."

A notification hit his phone on February 11th.

“The police showed up and we all searched for a good while. I think he got spooked and ran after Travis confronted him. Travis says the guy ran into the house. Let me know if he shows up or if they find him.”

So it looks like the police were called back on February 11th looking for this intruder but he got spooked and ran off. So less than two weeks later they see someone hightailing it down their street. The police are called and Travis and Gregory McMichael chase after him so he can't escape like he did last time.

I believe that anytime a black dude flees a crime scene or runs from the police he can now claim, "I was just jogging."

 

[Robin]

I am not sure why that is a narrative collapse.

Would the fact that he was pilfering from a building site justify hunting him down with shotguns?

Again, this may be one of those American things.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Would the fact that he was pilfering from a building site justify hunting him down with shotguns?

We've been asking that for about 40 pages now to no effect, longer if you go back to all the discussions that were this same discussion just with different dead black people involved.

The racists made this about "Well what if he was stealing/trespassing/re-transmitting without the express written permission of Major League Baseball?" from the beginning when everyone else has been pretty clear that doesn't matter.

In the racist's minds the first crime a black person commits (or indeed hypothetically may have committed) makes their lives forfeit, because they have proven themselves to be violent thugs who no respect for the law and therefore are liable to go off like violent animals the first time you innocently stick a shotgun in their face while jogging.

 

[JoeMorgue]

The police are called and Travis and Gregory McMichael chase after him so he can't escape like he did last time.

Even if the rest of your racist rant were true your argument falls apart here since, as has been pointed out dozens of times and ignored as many, you don't have the right as a citizen in Georgia to chase down, confront, and detain someone who might have committed a misdemeanor two weeks ago.

In Georgia you have the right to make a citizens arrest only in cases of a felony and only when the event is occurring or the suspect is fleeing from it. A guy who was maybe casing a construction site for copper pipe that didn't exist a fortnight ago does not meet those requirements.

Even in the stories the racists are making up they are still unjustified killers.

 

[smartcooky]

<snipped because this kind of bollocks does not need to be further displayed in this forum>

All of which, while interesting from a purely academic perspective, has nothing whatsoever to do with this murder...

In order for Cletus and Bubba to LAWFULLY apprehend Arbury, they had to be in immediate pursuit of someone who they knew was fleeing from a felony he had just committed.

Trespass is a misdemeanor NOT a felony
Whether or not Arbury had previously committed some felony is irrelevant

What Cletus and Bubba did was murder Arbury - this is the only fact that matters

 

[Thermal]

I am not sure why that is a narrative collapse.

Would the fact that he was pilfering from a building site justify hunting him down with shotguns?

Again, this may be one of those American things.

Its not an American thing. Not for all of us, anyway.

And nothing collapsed. If Arbery was caught red handed stealing every night, you still can't hold a gun on him. He was not a murderer or rapist fleeing the scene of a violent crime. Why the **** do you guys keep forgetting that part? (Not you, Robin)

Guys: you can't point a shotgun at humans for trespassing or petty theft. It really does come down to nothing but that. You can't hold them against their will for jaywalking, either.

And if you point that gun at someone, he may have the balls to call your bluff. If you keep that finger on the trigger and pull a few off, you have become a murderer. Not defending yourself because you were the aggressor by pointing the loaded weapon.

Done and done.

 

[dejudge]

....The Obama Administration’s own Bureau of Justice Statistics reported in 2011 that from 1980 to 2008, blacks alone made up 52 percent of homicide offenders, despite being only about 13 percent of the population.

The complete denial of basic reality is a huge issue on the Left. It is the reason why many of our once great cities (Baltimore, Detroit, St. Louis) are cauldrons of violence and decay.

Well, you may have to add two homicide offenders to your percentages. If we had more videos you would probably have had to add many many more.

 

[carlitos]

I see that we are just supposed to drop the fictional details of the fictional thefts. Nice.

I guess when you’re a bigot you never have to be apologetic for slandering minorities. It’s like those quotes in Maureen Dowd Columns -“fake but accurate.” :eyeroll:

ETA - embedded text in a photo like that image is classic racist uncle email behavior. I remember getting some of those type of images of Africans doing whatever after Katrina hit New Orleans.

 

[I Am The Scum]

The pro-lynching posters in this thread are not interested in forming a coherent narrative that absolves the actions of the killers. They just want to reinforce the notion that the black guy in this situation (as in any other) is guilty until proven innocent. They know that the murders can't be portrayed as the good guys, even if Arbery had a spool of pilfered copper wire in his pockets. So they don't focus on what his killers did. Instead, they focus on what Arbery maybe did. As long as they leave the impression that the black guy is suspicious, that's mission accomplished.

It's really no different from the committed 9/11 truther, who knows that forming a specific account of what actually happened on that fateful day will serve only to lay an unbearable burden of proof at his feet. So he commits himself to just asking questions. "What about the melting point of steel?" "Why did the guy say 'pull it?'" "What was Arbery doing on that street in the first place?" The point of the questions is not to find answers, but to instill a very selectively-planted doubt.

Two armed men sought out an unarmed man and killed him. It's no surprise that racists perceive the actual victim as the prima facie guilty party. We all know where their error lies, and it has nothing to do with a factual dispute involving copper pipes. I would advise anyone arguing with a racist on this matter to not pretend that any disagreement is a reasonable one, particularly when all the evidence indicates otherwise.

 

[JoeMorgue]

20% Blatant, not even trying to hide it racism.
40% "Gotta keep a sharp eye on them over-dramatic libs and make sure they don't overplay the race card."
40% JAQing off via pissing on the grave of a dead man.

 

[dejudge]

The two 911 calls from Satilla Shores are extremely significant because one shows a most reasonable handling of the situation and the other a most unreasonable deadly use of weapons.

The first 911 caller, an actual witness, apparently identified himself and his address [which was redacted]. He then described what he observed and gave the address of the site which appears to be corroborated by surveillance video.

It can be seen on a surveillance system that a person enters a building and than leaves running in the same direction as he was walking.

The 911 dispatcher told the first caller that they [the police] would be on their way.

The first call started at around 1:08 pm and finished about 1:14 pm 23 Feb.20.

This is precisely what is expected. There was no armed confrontation. The caller made his report to 911 and then hang up waiting for the Police to investigate.

Remember the first caller was a witness of the person entering and leaving the unfinished home.

It would appear the Police did arrive within minutes but on their arrival the jogger was already shot and killed by the son of the 2nd caller who lied to the 911 dispatcher about his location.

The second 911 caller simply claimed he saw a black male running down an unknown street while [unknown to the dispatcher] his son was presently killing him.

The second caller was supposed to be an ex-cop.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

It would be really interesting to see how this same thread would unfold if mentioning "racism" was simply not allowed.

It acts as this escape hatch for about 70% of the posters in here, to just tap out of having to seriously analyze legitimate questions which other posters raise.

Or if the same event had happened but all involved parties were of the same race, we could actually look at all information which came to light, entertain different theories and propose different possibilities without this endless stream of "zero nutritional content" posts which all always just say the same thing "racism! racist! racism! racist!"

In reality, if the media is pushing a big narrative about how someone got shot and they were doing totally innocent activity A but then a bunch of evidence starts to surface that the individual was actually doing not so innocent activity B - this is obviously interesting information and obviously the kind of thing which posters would end up discussing surrounding a major story like this.

But through the magic of "racism!!!!!!" - these revelations and new bits of info never really get to have their proper reveal / integration into our understanding. A ton of information which comes out just gets flagged as irradiated by "racism" and from then on, anyone who mentions it can be assured that they will get very few serious responses.

It's actually really pathetic and childish, to be honest.

 

[The Atheist]

It would be really interesting to see how this same thread would unfold if mentioning "racism" was simply not allowed.

FTFY

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

It would be really interesting to see how this same thread would unfold if mentioning "racism" was simply not allowed.

For starters, it would probably only be about 37 or 38 pages long.

 

[Dave Rogers]

No matter what was or was not true about his criminality or lack thereof, no matter how legitimate confronting him was or was not, he was shot and killed for actions he took in the last few seconds of his life. Actions which included charging, punching, and wrestling for a shotgun.

Since we know the confrontation cannot have been legal, these actions were clearly intended to defend himself from an immediate mortal danger caused by the criminal actions of others, who committed assault with a deadly weapon by openly threatening him with it. Legally, that's homicide.

Dave

 

[Scopedog]

Or if the same event had happened but all involved parties were of the same race, we could actually look at all information which came to light, entertain different theories and propose different possibilities without this endless stream of "zero nutritional content" posts which all always just say the same thing "racism! racist! racism! racist!"

The Texas case of the Millers (father & son) killing their neighbor over throwing away a mattress is very similar. They're all white but it's possible that they're racist.

https://amp.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article242568611.html

 

[lionking]

It would be really interesting to see how this same thread would unfold if mentioning "racism" was simply not allowed.

It acts as this escape hatch for about 70% of the posters in here, to just tap out of having to seriously analyze legitimate questions which other posters raise.

Or if the same event had happened but all involved parties were of the same race, we could actually look at all information which came to light, entertain different theories and propose different possibilities without this endless stream of "zero nutritional content" posts which all always just say the same thing "racism! racist! racism! racist!"

In reality, if the media is pushing a big narrative about how someone got shot and they were doing totally innocent activity A but then a bunch of evidence starts to surface that the individual was actually doing not so innocent activity B - this is obviously interesting information and obviously the kind of thing which posters would end up discussing surrounding a major story like this.

But through the magic of "racism!!!!!!" - these revelations and new bits of info never really get to have their proper reveal / integration into our understanding. A ton of information which comes out just gets flagged as irradiated by "racism" and from then on, anyone who mentions it can be assured that they will get very few serious responses.

It's actually really pathetic and childish, to be honest.

Well, you wouldn’t be participating, that’s for sure.

 

[Scopedog]

Well, you wouldn’t be participating, that’s for sure.

I think Skeptic Tank's point is that it wouldn't be very controversial to question the state of mind and possible impulse control problems of Aaron Howard when he repeatedly told two armed men that he was going to kill them then threw a baseball bat at them:

https://amp.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article242568611.html

If Aaron Howard were black then examining his actions would probably be considered racist by several posters and end that aspect of the discussion.

I feel like these situations are analagous to a mugging by two armed men on one victim. Its probably unwise to attack your armed muggers if you're unarmed and you're also less likely to die. I suppose the main controversy of the Georgia case is the initial lack of arrest. I think unless the McMichaels have a history of documented racism and of harassing black people in the neighborhood they'll be acquitted if the charge is too high such as what happened in the Zimmerman case.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

I think there has been some confusion about Georgia’s citizen’s arrest law. It is not only for a felony. And it does not necessarily require witnessing the crime. Here’s the law:

A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

There are two sentences that describe different circumstances and different standards.

The first sentence talks about an offense in general; felony, misdemeanor; any offense. The standard for making a citizen’s arrest for an offense in general is that the offense must have been committed in the person’s presence or with immediate knowledge.

The second sentence describes specific conditions and has a different standard. It refers toa fleeing felon. The standard for that is condition is reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion. An arrest can only be made using that standard if it a felony offense and the offender is trying to escape.

An arrest can be made for a non-felony, but only if the person witnesses the crime or has immediate knowledge. And arrest can be made without witnessing the crime or having immediate knowledge, but on if 1) these is reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion and 2) the offense is a felony and 3) the offender is escaping or attempting to escape.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Okay, alternative scenario: The McMichaels stop him at gunpoint and say "Wait for the cops," and he does, probably forced to his knees. The cops arrive. Arbery didn't steal anything and he has no weapons or any suspicious property with him. The McMichaels, who don't own the house and are not the owner's agents, confess that they chased Arbery down, threatened his life and prevented him from leaving. Who does an honest cop arrest?

The black guy, no way are they arresting a former cop for something as trivial as this. I mean they didn't even care about the murder.