Jogging in Georgia while black.

[ponderingturtle]

Arbery tried to put as much asphalt as he could between him and the McMichaels. They gave chase.

He just needed to John Henry the pickup truck in a chase. Any black man should be able to out perform a machine then die from doing so. Or I got the moral of that story wrong.

 

[pgwenthold]

Where did you hear this? What's your source for the things you keep claiming?

It was claimed at one of the white supremacist sites that he frequents.

I mean, if you can't trust a KKK Grand Wizard, who can you trust?

 

[Bob001]

It was claimed at one of the white supremacist sites that he frequents.

I mean, if you can't trust a KKK Grand Wizard, who can you trust?

Some people love a man in a uniform.

 

[smartcooky]

I know you were quoting. But I think you know firearms, too. What I'm wondering is if the ex-cop actually got a shot in with the .357, and our lovely investigators swept that under the rug. Conveiniently.

Eta: really want to know what kind of shotgun that was

Instead of speculating about what might be written in the link, I find to better to actually read what it says...

"This 25-year-old Black male, Ahmaud Arbury, died of multiple shotgun wounds sustained during a struggle for the shotgun," Donoghue wrote in conclusion.

Arbery suffered a "deep, gaping, shotgun graze" to his right wrist, as well as wounds to his upper left chest and lower middle chest, according to the report written April 1. Thirteen shotgun pellets exited Arbery's back, and 11 more were recovered from his wounds, the report says.
The shotgun blasts also damaged his right lung and fractured his upper left arm and scapula, according to the report.

Sounds like 12 gauge to me

 

[pgwenthold]

Some people love a man in a uniform.

Come on, he's a GRAND Wizard, not just some average knight. That means authority.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Well that and 12 gauge is by far the most popular shotgun style in the US.

00 Buck 12 Gauge is most likely by simple law of averages, and that's 24 pellets, same as the two primary wounds in the autopsy.

 

[smartcooky]

The callers said 'black male' That's exactly the kind of description a cop gives. They don't ask for freaking weight or muscle tone. Black male, white shirt. The first and most distinctive traits seen you quickly identify someone at a glance. .

I'm calling BS on this.

When Cops give a description of a suspect or a POI, they give a much more full description than you are claiming, e.g.

"The person we are looking for is a Black, Male, early 20's, medium build, approximately 5ft 10in wearing a white T-Shirt and grey shorts"

 

[Thermal]

Because you think looking at every incident in a perfect vacuum makes you "more rational" than the rest of us. You ignore context and trends and want to look at every racist event as if it is the first one to ever happen.

That's the problem. Every discussion of a racist incident with you includes proving racism is a thing from scratch every time. You also want to act like racism has never happened before so every racist incident has to be proven to some absurd degree.

Bull. I take racism as a lower chance of motivation. Low enough where it should be reasonably demonstrated, not assumed. I don't know how many whites are seriously racist. A quarter? A third? I dunno. But you and others here take it as a virtual certainty. That's pretty messed up. From your side of the keyboard, I mean.

"Racism is the most likely factor" isn't a prejudice, it's being minimally observant.

It's absolutely prejudice. It boldly carries the assumption that racism is the dominant motivator, more so than being generically a dick or power tripping or any other cause. Not in my experience. Obviously so in yours. Is like everyone you know a klansman or something? Why in the world would 'the overwhelming majority of white people are racists' be your starting assumption in argumentation?

Go on. Keep calling me a liar if it makes you feel better. I'm not the one with Skeptic Tank on my side in this discussion. I'll be able to sleep at night.

Perfect example. I am against Skeptic Tank on every detail and position, large and small, and have said so. Earlier you said I am 100% against a black person killed by a white one, and I ticked off four or five that proved you were lying, and I can't even think of a single other. Can you? But you literally can't see that, can you?

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you're not lying. You truly believe that all, repeat, ALL white people are deep down racists. That's sad, white boy.

 

[Thermal]

I'm calling BS on this.

When Cops give a description of a suspect or a POI, they give a much more full description than you are claiming, e.g.

"The person we are looking for is a Black, Male, early 20's, medium build, approximately 5ft 10in wearing a white T-Shirt and grey shorts"

Then I guess JoeMorgue was really out to lunch when he said that the caller ONLY said he was black, huh? I think you forgot to follow how JM started that exchange.

So I agree with you: JM was lying up a storm. Thanks

Eta: actually not fair. He only lied about the caller only saying Arbery was black.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Instead of speculating about what might be written in the link, I find to better to actually read what it says...

"This 25-year-old Black male, Ahmaud Arbury, died of multiple shotgun wounds sustained during a struggle for the shotgun," Donoghue wrote in conclusion.

Arbery suffered a "deep, gaping, shotgun graze" to his right wrist, as well as wounds to his upper left chest and lower middle chest, according to the report written April 1. Thirteen shotgun pellets exited Arbery's back, and 11 more were recovered from his wounds, the report says.
The shotgun blasts also damaged his right lung and fractured his upper left arm and scapula, according to the report.

Sounds like 12 gauge to me

Agreed.
Sounds like some form of buckshot. 00 buck in 2 3/4" shells are commonly available in 8,9, or sometimes 12 pellet loads. 3" magnum shells i usually see in 15 pellet.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Bull. I take racism as a lower chance of motivation. Low enough where it should be reasonably demonstrated, not assumed. I don't know how many whites are seriously racist. A quarter? A third? I dunno. But you and others here take it as a virtual certainty. That's pretty messed up. From your side of the keyboard, I mean.

Yea we know this is the standard that demonstrates that while you can prove the police are racist mathematically though their targeting of blacks you can never claim any specific incident was racist. So you can never have a person pulled over for driving while black because the officer always has some reason even if they demonstrably wouldn't pull over a white person for the same thing it isn't racism.

Sure these totally not racist people hurt blacks with their totally not racist bias but they always deserve ever benefit of any possible doubt. And we will never accept that unconcious bias is a real thing no matter the evidence there is to support it. That is like the evidence that the police are systematically racist, it make us far too uncomfortable to ever accept it.

 

[carlitos]

Then I guess JoeMorgue was really out to lunch when he said that the caller ONLY said he was black, huh? I think you forgot to follow how JM started that exchange.



So I agree with you: JM was lying up a storm. Thanks

Huh?

 

[Thermal]

I'm calling BS on this.

When Cops give a description of a suspect or a POI, they give a much more full description than you are claiming, e.g.

"The person we are looking for is a Black, Male, early 20's, medium build, approximately 5ft 10in wearing a white T-Shirt and grey shorts"

I didn't see that in the CNN story, thanks. No one or nothing else in the area was hit?

 

[Thermal]

Huh?

Misread and eta'ed. Am a mess at work and should take up smoking or something rather than posting. Thought smartcooky said when the cops gave the description, meaning the caller gave much more info

 

[wareyin]

Bull. I take racism as a lower chance of motivation. Low enough where it should be reasonably demonstrated, not assumed. I don't know how many whites are seriously racist. A quarter? A third? I dunno. But you and others here take it as a virtual certainty. That's pretty messed up. From your side of the keyboard, I mean.



It's absolutely prejudice. It boldly carries the assumption that racism is the dominant motivator, more so than being generically a dick or power tripping or any other cause. Not in my experience. Obviously so in yours. Is like everyone you know a klansman or something? Why in the world would 'the overwhelming majority of white people are racists' be your starting assumption in argumentation?



Perfect example. I am against Skeptic Tank on every detail and position, large and small, and have said so. Earlier you said I am 100% against a black person killed by a white one, and I ticked off four or five that proved you were lying, and I can't even think of a single other. Can you? But you literally can't see that, can you?

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you're not lying. You truly believe that all, repeat, ALL white people are deep down racists. That's sad, white boy.

Ok, so in your perspective it's likely that the McMichaels were generally being dicks? Did they usually load up the pickup with shotguns and chase other people, of any ethnicity? Like, maybe 2 weeks before that they pulled shotguns on an old white lady walking by, but that one just didn't make the news?

 

[Thermal]

Ok, so in your perspective it's likely that the McMichaels were generally being dicks? Did they usually load up the pickup with shotguns and chase other people, of any ethnicity? Like, maybe 2 weeks before that they pulled shotguns on an old white lady walking by, but that one just didn't make the news?

Ooooo, you're catching on.

I dont know what they did or didn't do to others. That's why I can't identify a motive or pattern from one instance, one way or the other. The dad was a former cop. They could just as easily have been still playing cop, regardless of the color of the alleged trespassers skin.

Do you have reason to show a pattern from this one instance? Did they let a white trespassers on the construction site go with a wink and a nod? Go on.

 

[wareyin]

Ooooo, you're catching on.

I dont know what they did or didn't do to others. That's why I can't identify a motive or pattern from one instance, one way or the other. The dad was a former cop. They could just as easily have been still playing cop, regardless of the color of the alleged trespassers skin.

Do you have reason to show a pattern from this one instance? Did they let a white trespassers on the construction site go with a wink and a nod? Go on.

Well, despite your previous claims it isn't common to walk around with a shotgun on Georgia streets. If they did have a pattern of doing that I'm pretty sure there would have been complaints. So, what changed this time? I think the description they gave in the 911 call is probably the characteristic that was foremost in their minds. They didn't call to report a crime, they couldn't even tell the 911 operator what he had done wrong or why they were calling. Except that there was a black man on their road. That was important to them.

 

[Thermal]

Well, despite your previous claims it isn't common to walk around with a shotgun on Georgia streets. If they did have a pattern of doing that I'm pretty sure there would have been complaints. So, what changed this time? I think the description they gave in the 911 call is probably the characteristic that was foremost in their minds. They didn't call to report a crime, they couldn't even tell the 911 operator what he had done wrong or why they were calling. Except that there was a black man on their road. That was important to them.

No, that's a descriptor. They are telling the police who they are reporting- a black guy running down the road. As opposed to a fat white coward with a shotgun (who the cops should have been apprehending, as we now know).

So the rednecks should have left out the visual identifier of him being black? 'I don't see race', that's what you are running with when police need a physical description?

 

[Skeptic Tank]

I agree that it could be difficult to get a conviction for a hate crime on the part of the McMichaelses... but I think bring a hate crime charge against the DA who lied and hand-waved the whole thing away in the first place would be a great idea.

Amen, sister! In fact, maybe the entire town of Brunsick, GA (well, all the white residents) should be sent to re-education camps so they can learn to not be so racist, or maybe we should just hang them all? Wouldn't that be poetic justice? If they like lynchings so much, surely they'll like that!

Oh, what's that you say - awful, fat, backward, confederate flag waving, possum eating, dim-witted redneck southern WHITE PEOPLE??? You say that I'm being a bit silly to claim this was a lynching, given that it was some neighborhood guys trying to hold up a thief until the police they'd called had arrived?

Pffft. I want to see every cop, every intern in that DA's office, everyone in that backward town who even heard about this LYNCHING and didn't immediately call the SPLC, ADL, and deliver these hicks hogtied in the back of a van directly to Shaun King's house for disposal... I want to see EVERY one of them, tried at the federal level for hate crimes! I want them to then have to watch every gun in that town be melted down before their very eyes and forged into a statue celebrating diversity to be erected in the town center!

Phew. Okay, now I feel much better. Much more virtuous.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

The past several pages are why I find comments like this to be so hilarious:

On this forum, the person making the claim is expected to support it with evidence, not the person questioning it.

That totally has not been my experience here at all. Rather, there are a set of "correct views" which are seldom questioned and fanatically held in a mob-like fashion by many on the forum. all sorts of crackpot, fallacious, un-evidenced statements can be made as long as they don't contradict the dogma.

On the other hand, any post contradicting of questioning (gasp!) the hive mind, will be met with a sort of pseudo-skepticism where they will be asked to give evidence for the most trivial, obvious and accepted truths.

It may even make a good bumper sticker: ISF - Where critical thinking goes to die