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William Parcher said:
Domestic terrorists. That's what people on this forum were calling the armed white protesters at the Michigan Capitol.
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Okay. And? Just more "LOL libs are being dramatic so any problems they say exist don't exist" nonsense?
 
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Thermal said:
More guns! That'll solve things!
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I really do believe that incidents like this are such a great illustration of why USA gun culture is just so messed up. If reaching for their guns wasn't an option, they would have called the police. They might have gone so far as tailed him. Instead, the availability of their guns made them feel powerful, so they chased him, and pointed the gun at him, and now one man is dead and two others are likely to spend their lives, or a good portion of them, in prison.

It's just insane that we are allowed to wander around armed with deadly weapons just because we feel like it.
 
Thermal said:
Then you fell for the cheap virtue signalling too. See the edit to the post you commented on
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Just for your own information, I only ever see the term “virtue signaling” used by some very bad people. You may wish to find some new vocabulary to express your idea, lest you be confused for something that you’re not.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
They are just making sure nothing happens to the precious construction site.
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The property owner, English, seemed pretty chill. Other neighbors said they recognized Arbery as a regular jogger on the street. As near as I can tell, there are the McMichaels and Roddy who are the problems. Roddy has been cooperating with police and AFAIK, no one is calling for his head. So a show of force, while well deserved, is being directed to the wrong people.

Marching on the DA's offics while open carrying, or in front of his house...now we're talking.
 
Thermal said:
The property owner, English, seemed pretty chill. Other neighbors said they recognized Arbery as a regular jogger on the street. As near as I can tell, there are the McMichaels and Roddy who are the problems. Roddy has been cooperating with police and AFAIK, no one is calling for his head. So a show of force, while well deserved, is being directed to the wrong people.

Marching on the DA's offics while open carrying, or in front of his house...now we're talking.
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Yeah, that was mostly pointless sarcasm. As far as I can tell, the McMichaels were playing neighborhood cop on their own initiative and not encouraged by anyone else.

I will note that the third accomplice was never arrested. If this causes him to lose sleep, I'll call it a win.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
Okay. And? Just more "LOL libs are being dramatic so any problems they say exist don't exist" nonsense?
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It doesn't even make sense. Libs wring their hands about open carry protests. The armed left is much more comfortable with it. I doubt the Black Panthers were that disturbed by a bunch of guys with guns.

Still not seeing any "work will set you free" nazi slogans from the BP, so the whataboutism falls a bit flat.
 
carlitos said:
Just for your own information, I only ever see the term “virtue signaling” used by some very bad people. You may wish to find some new vocabulary to express your idea, lest you be confused for something that you’re not.
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I thought that had universal usage? No?

Withdrawn, then, if it is some kind of dog whistle. The point stands: the Reverend showed he lived in a neighborhood where people recognized him, and if a tv was reported stolen, he would be positively identified. A proper stunt should have been minimally in an area he was unknown in.

He proved that his own neighbors might not accost the local pastor who runs on their street everyday, while oddly carrying a flat screen. Not quite the Twitter narrative though, was it?
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Cheap virtue signaling, by way of an inaccurate experiment, to "prove" (using bad logical reasoning) something for which there is absolutely no evidence. Color me impressed.

I'm starting to think ISF is where critical thinking goes to die.
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I've said this before: I joined here because I thought it would be a welcome change to discuss this kind of thing with skeptics. Dispassionate exploration, without social/political posturing.. But especially on the LWB threads, it's long form Facebook.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I don't know why the racists are still trying to set up the whole "Yeah but what if he was trespassing or robbing the place?" gotcha when we've already explained why it doesn't matter.

Again black people's lives do not become forever forfeit if they commit a crime.
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I know why. Look at the people in this thread happy to indulge Skeptic Tank's fantasies. Most people might balk at making up ****** excuses for an obviously racism-based murder, but some of them will happily latch on to irrelevant non-evidence provided by the more malignant racists.
 
Babbylonian said:
I know why. Look at the people in this thread happy to indulge Skeptic Tank's fantasies. Most people might balk at making up ****** excuses for an obviously racism-based murder, but some of them will happily latch on to irrelevant non-evidence provided by the more malignant racists.
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"I'm not racist if another, less subtle racist brings up the idea first."
 
Meadmaker said:
I really do believe that incidents like this are such a great illustration of why USA gun culture is just so messed up. If reaching for their guns wasn't an option, they would have called the police. They might have gone so far as tailed him. Instead, the availability of their guns made them feel powerful, so they chased him, and pointed the gun at him, and now one man is dead and two others are likely to spend their lives, or a good portion of them, in prison.

It's just insane that we are allowed to wander around armed with deadly weapons just because we feel like it.
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I just note that the whole concealed carry/open carry movement is a relatively recent development. For most of American history, concealed carry permits were rare and were issued by police departments on the basis of proven need. The only people who carried long guns openly were hunters. In the Old West small towns required cowboys to check their guns with the sheriff. Where we are today is largely the result of aggressive lobbying and propaganda by the NRA starting in the '70s, spurred largely by gun makers who wanted to -- and did -- expand their sales.

It doesn't have to be this way, and for most of our history it wasn't.

Chris Rock had the best solution: bullet control. You can have all the guns you want, but bullets would cost $5,000 each. (And that's from an old monologue; today he'd probably recommend ten grand minimum.)
 
Meadmaker said:
I really do believe that incidents like this are such a great illustration of why USA gun culture is just so messed up. If reaching for their guns wasn't an option, they would have called the police. They might have gone so far as tailed him. Instead, the availability of their guns made them feel powerful, so they chased him, and pointed the gun at him, and now one man is dead and two others are likely to spend their lives, or a good portion of them, in prison.

It's just insane that we are allowed to wander around armed with deadly weapons just because we feel like it.
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Couldn't agree more. A lot of these wannabe tough guys would have a lot less swagger if they had to rely on the strength of their convictions alone. As I said earlier, Arbery had balls of steel to charge Travis, although that didn't quite work out.

The boomstick boys are always saying an armed society is a polite society. I have a strong suspicion that the McMichaels would have been a hell of a lot more polite if unarmed.
 
Meadmaker said:
Assuming it would even be admissible in court. Even if he had a string of prior felonies and was on tape driving a U Haul away with a house full of stuff, it wouldn't make threatening him with a shotgun legal.
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He could have assassinated the Pope the day before, it would not have given them grounds to hunt him down and make a Citizen's Arrest
 
pgwenthold said:
He could have assassinated the Pope the day before, it would not have given them grounds to hunt him down and make a Citizen's Arrest
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Yes and the longer the apologist refuse to acknowledge this the more the subtext becomes the text.

Again it's like how spent, I wanna say, 3 threads discussing Guyver and 90% of the noise was about splitting every hair in castle defense laws that didn't apply to the case.
 
JoeMorgue said:
"I'm not racist if another, less subtle racist brings up the idea first."
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It's particularly pernicious because when the disinformation is repeated by those who seem more reasonable (the ones who are ****-sipping racists with plausible deniability), the lies gain currency they wouldn't otherwise.
 
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