Jogging in Georgia while black.

[Ranb]

Fox News has the video. It is rather disturbing. https://www.foxnews.com/us/georgia-grand-jury-review-recommended-in-fatal-shooting-of-ahmaud-arbery

By itself it appears to show the jogger trying to evade then defend himself against the man with the shotgun.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

So far, these clowns have faced no liability at all, with the cops prosecutors doing backflips to let them off the hook. It's George Zimmerman all over again.

Regardless of the law, we're seeing the nasty side of prosecutorial discretion. Hopefully the grand jury doesn't take the same absurdly generous reading of the law.

If the case can get yanked out of the good-ole-boy network and into a proper court, these guys are going to jail. Here's to hope!

 

[ponderingturtle]

TBF, "our road" is vastly different from "white road".

ANd of course our road means that there are no blacks on it, but stop trying to make this about race. Yes a black being there is what is weird and his being black is why it is weird but there is nothing racial about that.

 

[ponderingturtle]

As Ron Obvious noted above, there is a world of difference.

'On our road, the one on which we live, we haven't seen a black man in 50 years, except for a recently reported burglary suspect'

is quite a bit different from

'This is a white road, where we gun down darkies'

The rednecks are in the wrong either way, but very different in motivations. The devil is in the spin.

Like the difference between a racist white town and a mere sundowner town. Merely wanting all blacks out by night is clearly different than being racist.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Could an actual cop have arrested Arbery for anything?

Resisting arrest is always a good one in this situation. And if he bleeds on police uniforms then you have destruction of police property. A good cop can always find a good reason to arrest someone.

 

[bruto]

I have no opinion on your first question.

As to your second question, cops are generally protected if they arrest someone for a suspected crime that they incorrectly suspect.

I think even then, if my understanding of the video evidence is correct, this would not be the case, because a shot was fired before any arrest was attempted.

I don't think sniping is protected even for policemen.

 

[pgwenthold]

The claim of the killers is that this man matches the description of a suspicious person (potential burglar) seen on previous nights.

That would not meet the situation of citizen's arrest as I understand it. I could be wrong, though.

To me it sounds more like a vigilante mob.

 

[bruto]

As Ron Obvious noted above, there is a world of difference.

'On our road, the one on which we live, we haven't seen a black man in 50 years, except for a recently reported burglary suspect'

is quite a bit different from

'This is a white road, where we gun down darkies'

The rednecks are in the wrong either way, but very different in motivations. The devil is in the spin.

That's a mighty thin spin, and I do not think there is a great difference in motivation shown by the way it's said. The presumption that no black man in the neighborhood could be anyone but an unidentified burglar is still racist. We have only sketchy information thus far to know if there is any ground for the presumption that the actual burglar was black. You can bet dollars to donuts that these people could never claim justification for shooting an unidentified white jogger from their truck even if there were confirmation that a white burglar had been spotted. If you can justify shooting a black man because he is in "our street," that is a pretty dramatic way of announcing that this is not a street where blacks may safely go, and that, I think, is equivalent to saying it's a white street.

e.t.a. that's true even if there are a few blacks tolerated. If a black person has to get permission or clearance to use a road, which white people do not, then it is a white road. You can say that in all sorts of different ways, including obfuscations and lies (not you Thermal, them), and that won't change it.

 

[pgwenthold]

That's a mighty thin spin, and I do not think there is a great difference in motivation shown by the way it's said. The presumption that no black man in the neighborhood could be anyone but an unidentified burglar is still racist. We have only sketchy information thus far to know if there is any ground for the presumption that the actual burglar was black. You can bet dollars to donuts that these people could never claim justification for shooting an unidentified white jogger from their truck even if there were confirmation that a white burglar had been spotted. If you can justify shooting a black man because he is in "our street," that is a pretty dramatic way of announcing that this is not a street where blacks may safely go, and that, I think, is equivalent to saying it's a white street.

Here's what I figure. Take their statement, "There's a black guy running down our road" and add the response, "So?"

Where does the conversation go from there?

 

[JoeMorgue]

Just for context the city of Brunswick is 59.8% black, the greater county of Glynn is 26.4% black, and the state of Georgia is 30.5% black.

So "Black guy jogging down the street" isn't exactly supercharged creeper riding a white unicorn level of "Rare Occurrence."

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Just for context the city of Brunswick is 59.8% black, the greater county of Glynn is 26.4% black, and the state of Georgia is 30.5% black.

So "Black guy jogging down the street" isn't exactly supercharged creeper riding a white unicorn level of "Rare Occurrence."

I wouldn't assume based on those numbers that the city itself doesn't have pretty severe de-facto segregation in certain neighborhoods.

Edit:

The street Arbery was killed on is in an expensive neighborhood called Satilla Shores. It's water-front properties with 300k and 400k homes, with a handful of more modest homes on less desirable properties.

I'm going to put the odds of high racial diversity pretty low on this one.

 

[Thermal]

I wouldn't assume based on those numbers that the city itself doesn't have pretty severe de-facto segregation in certain neighborhoods.

Agreed. The county, state, and even town's racial demographics have nothing to do with who is found on this street.

Edit:

The street Arbery was killed on is in an expensive neighborhood called Satilla Shores. It's water-front properties with 300k and 400k homes, with a handful of more modest homes on less desirable properties.

I'm going to put the odds of high racial diversity pretty low on this one

Well that's racist.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I wouldn't assume based on those numbers that the city itself doesn't have pretty severe de-facto segregation in certain neighborhoods.

Edit:

The street Arbery was killed on is in an expensive neighborhood called Satilla Shores. It's water-front properties with 300k and 400k homes, with a handful of more modest homes on less desirable properties.

I'm going to put the odds of high racial diversity pretty low on this one.

My point was that the idea that "a black guy" is such an out of nowhere site as to be suspicious in and of itself didn't track, and the fact that they seem comfortable and confident using that as a justification is distasteful.

 

[Checkmite]

Interestingly, according to the police report, by the killers' own admission, Arbery originally ran another direction to evade them the first time they attempted to confront him with their weapons, and using their vehicles they chased him to another street and cut him off there, which is where the dashcam video picks up.

This man was essentially doomed the moment these psychopaths arbitrarily (or rather, not so arbitrarily) deemed him "suspicious" and decided to go after him with guns. Arbery tried to do the right thing and run, but they pointedly denied him this avenue of escape from the situation.

 

[ponderingturtle]

I think even then, if my understanding of the video evidence is correct, this would not be the case, because a shot was fired before any arrest was attempted.

I don't think sniping is protected even for policemen.

You need to watch more police shooting videos.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Interestingly, according to the police report, by the killers' own admission, Arbery originally ran another direction to evade them the first time they attempted to confront him with their weapons, and using their vehicles they chased him to another street and cut him off there, which is where the dashcam video picks up.

This man was essentially doomed the moment these psychopaths arbitrarily (or rather, not so arbitrarily) deemed him "suspicious" and decided to go after him with guns. Arbery tried to do the right thing and run, but they pointedly denied him this avenue of escape from the situation.

No see under properly manly laws this was one of those situations where no one did anything wrong and so the death is just one of those things that happens and no one is culpable for in any way. Like with the officer who got the wrong appartment if only he was armed and quicker on the draw he would also have been perfectly legal in killing them, but that doesn't mean anyone did anything wrong on either side.

Got to get in touch with the second amendment to understand this.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Interestingly, according to the police report, by the killers' own admission, Arbery originally ran another direction to evade them the first time they attempted to confront him with their weapons, and using their vehicles they chased him to another street and cut him off there, which is where the dashcam video picks up.

This man was essentially doomed the moment these psychopaths arbitrarily (or rather, not so arbitrarily) deemed him "suspicious" and decided to go after him with guns. Arbery tried to do the right thing and run, but they pointedly denied him this avenue of escape from the situation.

People are either going to have to try and argue that Arbery should have submitted to arrest by two civilians to excuse this one.

And they will.

 

[smartcooky]

So your argument is the video is some sort of deep fake?

A truck load of people saw the black guy choking while jogging so they all jumped out and try to all perform the heimlich on him at once?

What exactly, and please be precise (precise, no vaguary about "waiting to here the whole story" unless you're willing to present a version of this story that isn't insane), are you "skeptical" about?

Some people's racism runs so deep that the facts don't matter to them - the jogger was black, that was is crime.

 

[bruto]

You need to watch more police shooting videos.

I don't say it doesn't happen, and I suppose I'd better not say it isn't protected. I am presuming here sniping before the victim has been given any warning that there's anything happening. If that is protected, it sure shouldn't be.

 

[pgwenthold]

People are either going to have to try and argue that Arbery should have submitted to arrest by two civilians to excuse this one.

And they will.

Yep, think about this.

A pair of white guys with shotguns chase after the black guy in a pickup.

Keep in mind, he doesn't know why they are chasing him because he hasn't done anything wrong.

And he is supposed to submit to their commands or get shot?

What is the difference between this and racist rednecks on a ****** hunt? From appearances, it is indistinguishable.

And, in real time, all he has is appearances.