Jimmy Carter is a terrorist

[Kestrel]

Perhaps Carter honestly believes he is helping to alleviate the nearly impossible situation.

However, the latest round of rocket attacks is only just another in a long line of total failures on the part of the Palestinians to "police themselves." One has to wonder how these groups are still able to receive thousands and thousands of the ubiquitous 107mm "Katyusha" rockets that are continually launched into Israeli population centers.

There doesn't seem to be any real motivation for HAMAS or whoever purports to be in charge of the Palestinians to identify and hold responsible the individuals who are launching the ordnance into Israel.

Doesn't Mr. Carter's presence there seem to imply at face value that he represents the United States in this matter? Last time I checked we don't negotiate with terrorists, even on behalf of another sovreign state. Did something change since Entebbe, or are the Israelis now negotiating with terror groups now?

Israeli politicians keep making the claim that they don't negotiate with terrorists, but it's not true.

In July of this year, Israel negotiated a deal with Hezbollah where prisoners were exchanged for the bodies of dead Israeli soldiers. This was just one of many such deals .

 

[Rob Lister]

Accessory after the fact, if the story is true.

If the story is not true, then only an apologist and propagandist for mass murder.

give him a break. He's just trying to live up to that Nobel prize he shared a couple of decades ago.

What was that for again?

 

[Rob Lister]

give him a break. He's just trying to live up to that Nobel prize he shared a couple of decades ago.

What was that for again?

Yo Abdul, I talkin' to you bitch!

 

[Darth Rotor]

From another thread, Gaza Strip is about one tenth the size of Harris County Texas, with a quarter of the population.

Let's see: if people in Harris County were launching rockets into Galveston County, how long do you think it would be before the officials in Harris County got down to brass tacks and did something about it?

Hmmmmmm?

Two years?

I think not.

President Carter ... not sure what he thinks he can achieve.

DR

 

[Mark6]

Carter has always seemed to be devoted to a naïve belief that even the most evil terrorists in the world would turn and be nice to us if only we'd meet with them and understand them and try to negotiate with them. It never worked when he was President, and it hasn't worked in any of his attempts since then, but he seems to remain convinced that if he keeps on trying, eventually it will work.

I am fairly certain Carter actually believes that it has worked.

 

[Kestrel]

I am fairly certain Carter actually believes that it has worked.

The negotiated settlements in Northern Ireland seem to have worked.

 

[daredelvis]

From another thread, Gaza Strip is about one tenth the size of Harris County Texas, with a quarter of the population.

Let's see: if people in Harris County were launching rockets into Galveston County, how long do you think it would be before the officials in Harris County got down to brass tacks and did something about it?

Hmmmmmm?

Two years?

I think not.

President Carter ... not sure what he thinks he can achieve.

DR

I live in Harris county. While some comparisons between Gaza and Harris county might be valid, I think there is a slight (enormous) difference in the magnitude of chaos, poverty, and inept government between the two (mind you, I live in the third ward). Not a good comparison.

Daredelvis

 

[Mark6]

The negotiated settlements in Northern Ireland seem to have worked.

Yes, there is that.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

That may have something to do with the PIRA wanting out of the blowing up stuff business after 9/11.

 

[Cleon]

That may have something to do with the PIRA wanting out of the blowing up stuff business after 9/11.

Nah, the peace process had been going on since the mid-90s. Hell, the Provos signed off on the GFA in 1998, three full years before 9/11.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

Maybe they should send Gerry Adams down there to negotiate.

 

[littlehulkster]

The negotiated settlements in Northern Ireland seem to have worked.

The negotiated settlement between the Zapatistas and Mexican government has worked remarkably well, too.

Once you realize that terrorists just might have a reason behind why they're doing what they're doing instead of just assuming they woke up and decided to blow something up, you can actually make a remarkable amount of progress with minimal bloodshed.

 

[fuelair]

A terrorist is someone who has engaged in violent acts against a civilian population, with the purpose of intimidating the population and/or achieving political goals.

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and/or provides material, assistance/protection for those so acting.

Giving any advice (other than "crawl off and die" OR "do you understand, really understand, what fabs can do to you?" and equivalent) that helps terrorists is conspiracy with them.

Note, at this point I am not calling Carter a terrorist - but, if he did advise Hamas on what to get for a prisoner (who I must assume they will kill as previously happened prior to returning). Oh, as to returning prisoners dead, I fully support IDF returning prisoners from a thousand feet up as an appropriate response.

 

[Skeptic]

I don't think Carter is a terrorist. He simply is a naive fool, who thinks that if he'll be nice to people like Mashaal, and understand him, Mashaal will somehow become reasonable. Advising Mashaal is doing the man a small favor, in order to turn him around, make him "less extremist".

The problem is that Carter is so far gone in his dementia that he moved from "understanding" to "helping out" in small, symbolic ways. If Mashaal had asked, as a personal favor of one freedom-loving man to another, that Carter use his diplomatic immunity and status as an ex-US president to help Mashaal smuggle some rockets into Gaza, Carter would do it.

 

[Kestrel]

I don't think Carter is a terrorist. He simply is a naive fool, who thinks that if he'll be nice to people like Mashaal, and understand him, Mashaal will somehow become reasonable. Advising Mashaal is doing the man a small favor, in order to turn him around, make him "less extremist".

The problem is that Carter is so far gone in his dementia that he moved from "understanding" to "helping out" in small, symbolic ways. If Mashaal had asked, as a personal favor of one freedom-loving man to another, that Carter use his diplomatic immunity and status as an ex-US president to help Mashaal smuggle some rockets into Gaza, Carter would do it.

You called Carter a "naive fool" and then claimed he has dementia. As a followup, you made an unsupported claimed that Carter would smuggle weapons to a terrorist.

Argument by insult may pass for reason at your local bar, but it's not appropriate on a skeptics forum. Can you give it another try using documented facts and valid logic?

 

[JoeyDonuts]

If Mashaal had asked, as a personal favor of one freedom-loving man to another, that Carter use his diplomatic immunity and status as an ex-US president to help Mashaal smuggle some rockets into Gaza, Carter would do it.

I don't know about THAT. Not sure that he's qualified to be an arms dealer anyway.

 

[Sunni Man]

Carter at least trying to do something in talking to Hamas.

Hamas has legitimate issues that need to be discussed.

He is giving a voice to people that have No access to the media.

 

[Skeptic]

Carter at least trying to do something in talking to Hamas.

Hamas has legitimate issues that need to be discussed.

He is giving a voice to people that have No access to the media.

Oh, I dunno about that. Hamas seems to have access to the media. Hamas TV from Gaza, for example, is well known for its deep insight into current sociological issues:

Its fascinating historical shows:

Of course, there's also its award-winning educational children's television:

Er... what were those "legitimate issues" Carter needs to discuss with those folks, again?

 

[Skeptic]

As a followup, you made an unsupported claimed that Carter would smuggle weapons to a terrorist.

Why "unsupported"?

He met with him, despite the man being a wanted terrorist by his own country.

He secretly advised him about how many terrorists to demand in return for an Israeli soldier.

So he certainly seems quite willing to defy his own country to aid and support wanted terrorists in words and deed. Why won't he accept smuggling as well? Certainly, morally speaking, there isn't much difference.

As for the "deluded idiot" claim, I'd say any US president who knowingly meets with a wanted terrorist and advises him on how to act is a deluded idiot.

That's at least the most chariatable explanation. The other one -- that he is a Hamas supporter and therefore, indeed, a terrorist -- is much worse.

 

[Sunni Man]

Oh, I dunno about that. Hamas seems to have access to the media. Hamas TV from Gaza, for example, is well known for its deep insight into current sociological issues:
Er... what were those "legitimate issues" Carter needs to discuss with those folks, again?

Gaza and Hamas media outlets are a far cry from access the giant media corporations of CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc.