Jim Fetzer & Conspiracies

jaydeehess said:
Reminds me of,,,,,,(anecdote time),,,,
When I was 19 I was on a forest fire fighting crew. Our bush camp site had a helipad and thus several barrels of fuel on site. However some dumb bunny had simply reused gasoline barrels, refilling them with jet A, or whatever the Bell Ranger is supposed to use. So, since fuel was scarce, and the helicopter busy, and these barrels needed to go back to the city logistics warehouse, someone had to take them back in a pickup truck. That someone was the then junior guy, me. I am not sure how much five 45 gallon drums of fuel weighs but I do know that my front wheels were barely touching the road. I would take my foot off the gas in turns in order to bring the front down a bit to get more friction and ensure that turning the steering wheel actually turned the truck. I drove fifty kilometers down the highway at fifty km/hr in ninety zone, all the while illuminating the interior by the white of my knuckles, I do not think I blinked the whole time. The logistics guy at my destination asked if I had enemies at the camp as it looked like someone had been trying to kill me. (He was joking,,, I hoped). He said he would send a one ton truck out with fuel barrels later in the day, as he cursed our camp officer over the radio.
Return trip was just foodstuffs. Much better both in weight and subsequent handling of the truck, as well as in not having to constantly put out of mind the imagery of what would happen if I , and my cargo, were in an accident.
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Ha! Years ago, my work van broke down and I had to call a wrecker in. The guy showed up with another car on the bed. He put my full size work van on his tow bar. My van, with parts, tools, and equipment runs about 9500lbs. So, I ask the guy while we're driving what the tow bar rating is. He tells me it's about 4k. Panicked I tell him my weight. Just then we hit a bump (intersection) on the service road of the Long Island Expressway. I felt the wrecker rear up and I look at him. He's spinning the wheel back and forth like the steering is disconnected. In unison we both give a "HOLY ******" and then it came back down. It was a very slow ride back after that. lol
 
Our L-1011 was at EAFB one day, and we refuelled with JP-4... Had been usinf Jet-1A. The leaks began immediately! Required a full purging of the fuel system when we got back to Plant 42.
 
turingtest said:
This doesn't even fit his own "theory" of some all-powerful conspiracy, until he can invoke what seems to me is a law for CTists (and creationists)- to simply assume for your conspiracy (or deity) whatever properties it needs to have at any given time for you to see it as such. If that means it's so omnipotent and omni-competent that it can (as AG points out) anticipate every single video viewpoint of the crash so it can fake them all consistently, then that's what you assume. If, however, your own anomaly hunting finds that the conspiracy foolishly planted the wrong engine type for the frame it's supposed to serve, then "they mucked up"- supreme incompetence is what you assume. Whatever makes the conspiracy angle work...
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I just call it "Schrodinger's Competence".

I Ratant said:
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There is a bit of the classic insanity definition.. "Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result".. when we try to get through to the CTwinkies and god-botherers. They say the same things, we refute with the same objections... almost sad, that. :covereyes
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I've seen lots of athiests who are be just as dogmatic in their beliefs, though it was usually about certain political things. In fact, I've actually compared them to CTers categorically on several occasions. Like Scott Adams said "Nothing makes [people] argue harder than being proven wrong."
 
"Hey Joe,"
"yeah Ed?"
"remember on 9/11?"
"yeah"
"Remember how our boss gave us those funny orders?"
"you mean the van?"
"Yeah, he said 'take this van over to that street, and use the dolly in the back to move that jet engine in the back onto the street."
"yeah, I remember, my back still remembers"
"Wasn't that kinda....odd thing to do?"
"I suppose"
"Doesn't it kinda bug you?"
"meh..."
 
000063 said:
I just call it "Schrodinger's Competence".


I've seen lots of athiests who are be just as dogmatic in their beliefs, though it was usually about certain political things. In fact, I've actually compared them to CTers categorically on several occasions. Like Scott Adams said "Nothing makes [people] argue harder than being proven wrong."
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I've seen and mentioned that too, here. :)
Some A's and some god-botherers will say the same things over and over, and never change their viewpoints, or decide it's a lost cause.
I guess getting in the last word is really important. :(
 
kookbreaker said:
"Hey Joe,"
"yeah Ed?"
"remember on 9/11?"
"yeah"
"Remember how our boss gave us those funny orders?"
"you mean the van?"
"Yeah, he said 'take this van over to that street, and use the dolly in the back to move that jet engine in the back onto the street."
"yeah, I remember, my back still remembers"
"Wasn't that kinda....odd thing to do?"
"I suppose"
"Doesn't it kinda bug you?"
"meh..."
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Same as the "missile" that shot down TWA 800, fired during a fleet exercise off the East Coast. Not a peep from the 1000s of sailors involved!
 
Wolrab said:
Don't you realize he is a PHD?
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:D

so are a bunch of us, I suspect they're not rare here... Our guest must be used to dealing with people who barely got through their associate's degree in sports management at Podunk Community College.

My apologies for anyone here who DOES have a degree in Sports Management.
 
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I finally bothered to read through the thread. Very amusing how Mr Fetzer came in all hot and bothered about how people have been talking about him and then proceeded to prove everyone's point.
 
In the field of philosophy, Fetzer and White would be classified as "invincibly ignorant", a term from religion, where someone would refuse to accept a different version of a religion, many times to the point of accepting death than change their mind.
The history of these two certainly shows that firm a resistance to accepting anything other than their fantasies.
 
ApolloGnomon said:
I finally bothered to read through the thread. Very amusing how Mr Fetzer came in all hot and bothered about how people have been talking about him and then proceeded to prove everyone's point.
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Of course he proved everyone's point about his approach because that is his approach. He may not like the reaction it engenders sometimes, but the facts are the facts. He doesn't really debate; he relies almost exclusively on bluster and browbeating. We've all seen it elsewhere, and it's not a surprise that we should see it here.

Part of the problem, I believe, is that Fetzer, White, Costella, and that particular association has habitually engaged in discussion only within strongly moderated "walled gardens" that highly restrict the degree and type of criticism they are compelled to endure. JFKResearch was one of the first, followed by the Education Forum. This ensured that they were surrounded largely by sycophantic fans, and that sympathetic moderators insulated them from all but the least offensive criticism.

Too long under that regime and you'll consider yourself pretty much the smartest, most intellectually robust person that you know. Of course that means you just need to know more people.
 
JayUtah said:
Too long under that regime and you'll consider yourself pretty much the smartest, most intellectually robust person that you know. Of course that means you just need to know more people.
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It's the intellectual equivalent of this "Martial Arts Master"

 
When the Jesuits would apply that to their victims, the barbecue wasn't that far into the future for the "unbeliever". :(
 
Wolrab said:
This thread is not Coast to Coast AM, any number of truther forums, any number of internet radio shows, not Info wars/prison planet, not a truther seminar, not a truther "trial", not a truther "presentation", not youtube video, not a truther pay to publish journal, and definitely not one of Prof. Fetzer's books (on sale now!).

How can you guys just come in and spout facts, numbers, and generally not lap up what Prof. Fetzer spoon feeds us?

Don't you realize he is a PHD? How come you guys are allowed to doubt him? Isn't someone going to hang up on you? Have security escort you out of the building? Not allow you to post comments? Edit your responses? Not allow you in the seminar? Turn off your microphone?

How dare you guys. Buy his books and run up his internet hits already.

Sheez.
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We're such meanies I bet we won't even cheer when he says he would beat the hijackers to death with his luggage.
 
He could because the hijackers are like totally alive!

I love how he singles out Jay as a slacker. Jay posts rebuttals to the claims and gets nothing in return but bluster.

Come on Mr. Doctor Professor Fetzer, post some evidence, not links to silly conferences or stupid web sites. Where are the peer reviewed articles from scientific journals? Where is the math? Where are the informers? Your word ain't crap without something to back it up.
 
You can't get even get to math if your very first premises are simply and demonstrably wrong, e.g., "towers turned to dust", "all lunar surface photographs perfectly framed", etc.
 
I don't mean to be disrespectful (honest), but a person who even momentarily considers, much less goes on to promote, a "no plane theory" with regard to the events of 9/11, places themselves in such a deep sinkhole within the field of critical analysis, any other premise, hypothetical, or conjecture they might offer on just about any topic would cause me to automatically suspect they were out to lunch there as well.

And that is my painfully long, mixed metaphor sentence for today.
 
I just looked at his Veterans Today (a peer reviewed journal of American Chiroptera Guano Psychosis) article on the Sandy Hook Massacre. How any sane person can come to his conclusions is beyond me, other than a sick way to generate cash from his peers.
Due to the membership agreement, I can't describe my thoughts, let alone if I was a parent of one of the slaughtered.
Hey Professor, look up the definition of SHAME.
 
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