Jim Fetzer & Conspiracies

[jfetzer]

How is my thinking flawed? You have no proof to support your belief and you handwave all evidence to the contrary.

That's a good one. Why don't you start here. How was Newtons law violated? You can impress us with numbers.

Since you appear to be incompetent to do a google search, let me help out:

“9/11: Planes/No Planes and ‘Video Fakery’”
veteranstoday.com/2012/02/20/911-planesno-planes-and-video-fakery/

“Reason and Rationality in Public Debate: The Case of Rob Balsamo”
veteranstoday.com/2012/04/01/reason-and-rationality-in-public-debate-the-case-of-rob-balsamo/

"Were the 9/11 crash sites faked?" (Seattle, WA, 13 June 2012):
Part 1
archive.org/details/scm-75926-drjamesfetzerinseattlejune1320
Part 2
archive.org/details/scm-75938-drjamesfetzerinseattlejune1320

“Fakery and Fraud in the 'Official Account' of 9/11”
donaldfox.wordpress.com/2012/06/22/jim-fetzers-vancouver-powerpoint/

“9/11 Truth will out: The Vancouver Hearings I”
veteranstoday.com/2012/09/07/911-truth-will-out-the-vancouver-hearings-i/

“Planes/No Planes in New York: Dick Eastman vs. Jim Fetzer”
nwopodcast.com/fetz/media/jim%20fetzer%20real%20deal-eastman%20debate.mp3

“The Complete 9/11 Midwest Truth Conference”, Part 2
veteranstoday.com/2013/10/03/the-complete-midwest-911-truth-conference-parts-1-2-and-3/

 

[DGM]

Since you appear to be incompetent to do a google search, let me help out:

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I've read all of them.

They don't answer my question. How was Newtons law violated?

My proof it wasn't is the seismic signature of the impact. The damage seen on all the videos. The speed of the engine that escaped to land were it did. I could go on but, that's all fake, right?

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Do you still contend that the Apollo missions were faked? If so, please direct us to your most representative work on the subject. I will be starting a thread here to discuss it.



Present your "actual views" on Apollo, in an appropriate thread, and we will see how instructive they are and how amenable you are to having them examined and tested by qualified experts.

I understand what you're doing, but this could be construed as Well Poisoning and falls into the Buddhist notion of "waiting in ambush."

Thus, your comment could be rejected as both logically suspect and emotionally unhealthy.


That said, if Mr Fetzer would like to discuss the Apollo program in another thread and I haven't joined the conversation in a day or so, please PM me.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Me, distracting the conversation by suggesting we take that topic to a separate thread? I don't think so.


By the way, Mr Fetzer, you may want to dial back the insults and such. This isn't The Icke forum and the mods actually patrol for such things.

 

[jfetzer]

I've read all of them.

They don't answer my question. How was Newtons law violated?

My proof it wasn't is the seismic signature of the impact. The damage seen on all the videos. The speed of the engine that escaped to land were it did. I could go on but, that's all fake, right?

OK. I don't believe you. If you have read ALL OF THOSE ARTICLES, then you know my position on the impossible speed, the impossible entry, the engine component found at Church & Murray, more and more and more.

So what is my position? I have laid it out again and again. Explain what I say and why I say it, then explain what I have wrong and how you know. Prove that I am wrong.

Edited by jhunter1163: 

Edited for civility.

 

[jfetzer]

Me, distracting the conversation by suggesting we take that topic to a separate thread? I don't think so.

By the way, Mr Fetzer, you may want to dial back the insults and such. This isn't The Icke forum and the mods actually patrol for such things.

Nothing I have said here rises to the level of the insults and insinuations that have been published here before my arrival today. So what's this self-righteous rubbish? Where does that come from? I have actually been rather restrained.

I may have missed that your earlier post was in response to JayUtah, in which case I missed the boat. Sorry about that. I would be glad to make contact with you as a PM, if I can figure out how to do that. Thanks for coming back on this.

 

[DGM]

OK. I don't believe you. If you have read ALL OF THOSE ARTICLES, then you know my position on the impossible speed, the impossible entry, the engine component found at Church & Murray, more and more and more.

So what is my position? I have laid it out again and again. Explain what I say and why I say it, then explain what I have wrong and how you know.
<SNIP> Prove that I am wrong.

Why? Do you think anyone really cares what you believe happened? You have nothing more than your opinion. This is evident from the fact you can't answer this simple question.

How was Newtons law violated on 9/11? You are the one claiming it was.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

I'll admit I haven't read whatever whatever, so can you sum up for me your difficulty with the engine found at Church and Murray? I've studied the footage and the travel time and distance from the tower is consistent with a specific piece of spiraling ejecta seen in all the footage.

 

[jfetzer]

No one is (was) ignoring your arguments. The problem is, you are living in 2006 believing no one has addressed them to the point of boredom. Even "truthers" ignore you now.

How many people were at your last "conference"?

Seriously? This is the best some of you can do? Change the subject from JFK, 9/11 and the Holocaust to how many attended a conference? We were blackballed and the attendance was modest. But the presentations were sensational. What does ATTENDANCE have to do with TRUTH?

2006? I have no idea what you are talking about. The first national conference for Scholars, which I organized, was held in Madison in 2007. I published its firt book, THE 9/11 CONSPIRACY (2007) and organized its first international conference in Vancouver in 2012.

Those who are dwelling in the past are A&E911 and Judy Wood and DEWs, as I explain in "The Complete Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference", Part 2. Why are you and others here IGNORING MY WORK, WHEN YOU PRETEND TO BE DISCUSS IT? The situation is completely absurd.

 

[DGM]

Seriously? This is the best some of you can do? Change the subject from JFK, 9/11 and the Holocaust to how many attended a conference? We were blackballed and the attendance was modest. But the presentations were sensational. What does ATTENDANCE have to do with TRUTH?

2006? I have no idea what you are talking about. The first national conference for Scholars, which I organized, was held in Madison in 2007. I published its firt book, THE 9/11 CONSPIRACY (2007) and organized its first international conference in Vancouver in 2012.

Those who are dwelling in the past are A&E911 and Judy Wood and DEWs, as I explain in "The Complete Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference", Part 2. Why are you and others here IGNORING MY WORK, WHEN YOU PRETEND TO BE DISCUSS IT? The situation is completely absurd.

Still can't answer the question:

How was Newtons law violated? I know we can be distracting but, let's focus on this.

So, explain. You can be technical, we can handle it.

 

[jfetzer]

I'll admit I haven't read whatever whatever, so can you sum up for me your difficulty with the engine found at Church and Murray? I've studied the footage and the travel time and distance from the tower is consistent with a specific piece of spiraling ejecta seen in all the footage.

Sure. It was found under a steel scaffolding on an undamaged sidewalk. Any object that massive at its alleged velocity would have shattered the sidewalk. It was of the wrong make to have come from a Boeing 767.

Jack White discovered Fox News footage of three agents wearing FBI vests unloading something heavy from a white van at that intersection. They even left the dolly behind, which can be seen in the photos I present.

My presentation at The Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference runs about one hour and covers the problems with A&E911 and Judy Wood in relation to the Twin Towers and presents the proof that none of those planes crashed on 9/11.

 

[jfetzer]

Still can't answer the question:

How was Newtons law violated? I know we can be distracting but, let's focus on this.

So, explain. You can be technical, we can handle it.

I have spelled it out time and time again. Why don't you display your familiarity with my work and quote what I have already explained over and over again? Show that you are not a liar.

Edited by jhunter1163: 

Edited for civility.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Seriously? This is the best some of you can do? Change the subject from JFK, 9/11 and the Holocaust to how many attended a conference?

The topic of the thread is you, specifically and your theories generally. This will cause us issues now that you are a member and actually changes the rules of engagement.


I call that this thread be locked until the inevitable happens* so we can discuss any of various topics in individual threads in appropriate subfora.







*AAH and a paring of the roster

 

[DGM]

No, you are just lazy and incompetent. I have spelled it out time and time again. Why don't you display your familiarity with my work and quote what I have already explained over and over again? Show that you are not a liar.

No you haven't.

You can't answer it because you never have.

Jim, just a friendly note. Your personal attacks are only proof you have no case.

You made a claim here you can't support.

BTW: The engine on Church St is right and I can prove it (this was done 7 years ago).

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

I'll start the thread

{edit to add}
Done - in the 9/11 subforum.

 

[DGM]

So Jim. Why don't you show everyone here why you believe that engine is not a Pratt & Whitney JT9D-7R4D. Could it be because you found a guy that works in the APU division of Pratt & Whitney and he says he can't identify it?

You have enough posts now to include links.

 

[catsmate]

Since you appear to be incompetent to do a google search, let me help out:

“9/11: Planes/No Planes and ‘Video Fakery’”<gibbersnip>

So no actual evidence then, just rants.

Is this the best JREFers can do? Gang up on someone, misrepresent his views and savage him when he's not around? Then, when by a fluke he shows up, at all costs, IGNORE HIS ARGUMENTS AND HIS EVIDENCE. That's the JREF way!

I know you don't appear to understand the concept but the unsupported opinion of yourself (or others) doesn't constitute evidence.

 

[jhunter1163]

Nothing I have said here rises to the level of the insults and insinuations that have been published here before my arrival today. So what's this self-righteous rubbish? Where does that come from? I have actually been rather restrained.

I may have missed that your earlier post was in response to JayUtah, in which case I missed the boat. Sorry about that. I would be glad to make contact with you as a PM, if I can figure out how to do that. Thanks for coming back on this.

As mod:

Before your arrival, since you were not a member, you were not covered by the JREF Membership Agreement. Now, you are; the civility rules will be applied to comments directed towards you (as well as comments you make, he said pointedly).

To all members; do not personalize your arguments and remain civil and polite. Thank you for your anticipated cooperation.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: jhunter1163

 

[JayUtah]

True to form, JayUtah does not want to respond to the points I have made here about my work on JFK, 9/11 and the Holocaust--so he changes the subject! I would expect nothing less of a mediocrity.

There is no change of subject. This thread is about you and your various conspiracy theories. It is not limited to any one or two of your theories that you choose now to defend, and to suggest now that it must be is disingenuous. A discussion of your various claims regarding Apollo has been part of this thread since its inception and has not abated or changed simply because of your arrival.

Whether this is "true to form" or not from me is an irrelevant personal characterization, i.e., a personal attack. Please endeavor to keep a civil tone.

While I have interviewed several guest about the Moon landings, my own most recent discussion (where I was the guest) was with Sterling Harwood, J.D., Ph.D., which you can easily find on the internet.

Link, please.

Much earlier in this thread I reproduced items from your web site that purport to give your position on the Apollo landings. Given that you accuse your critics of failing to stay current with your activities, and that you have accused people of taking your quotes etc. out of context, it is not unreasonable to require you to link specifically to what you advance unmistakably as your current belief.

If you wish, I can start a specific thread in this forum for the discussion.

 

[Africanus]

True to form, JayUtah does not want to respond to the points I have made here about my work on JFK, 9/11 and the Holocaust--so he changes the subject! I would expect nothing less of a mediocrity.

With regard to JFK and the holocaust, there are two threads where you can discuss your theories. 9/11 has its own subforum where every single theory regarding 9/11 can be discussed.