JFK's assassination: your thoughts

[bynmdsue]

I wonder if Oswald had been born 50 years later if he would've been the type to take a gun into a school one day. Or would that have been too small for THE GREAT HISTORIC FIGURE!!! he knew he was meant to be?

 

[I Ratant]

Well...yeah, they kind of were.

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They have to be!
It's just choreography, with a lot of attention to the camera angle and field of view for the stunt.
Now, truTV has lots of real violence, unchoreographed..usually starting right after..
"Hold my beer while I...."
Many Darwins are awarded every episode.

 

[mikado]

It's been a very interesting thread.... but what puzzles me the most is surely didn't LHO fit what we now know is the mould of angry failed young men who go on to commit awful crimes?

What, however, is the consensus on the motives of Ruby's actions?

 

[Robrob]

It's been a very interesting thread.... but what puzzles me the most is surely didn't LHO fit what we now know is the mould of angry failed young men who go on to commit awful crimes?

What, however, is the consensus on the motives of Ruby's actions?

Don't know about Ruby but I find it interesting - LHO matches so perfectly with the well known "angry failure" model, why do the CT loons always try to spin him into some kind of James Bond super-spy?

Wouldn't it make more sense for the Illuminati to pick some hapless loser (with no secret knowledge to reveal) to trick into being their patsy?

 

[mikado]

Don't know about Ruby but I find it interesting - LHO matches so perfectly with the well known "angry failure" model, why do the CT loons always try to spin him into some kind of James Bond super-spy?

Wouldn't it make more sense for the Illuminati to pick some hapless loser (with no secret knowledge to reveal) to trick into being their patsy?

Rob, that was what I was (albeit clumsily) attempting to say

 

[vtbub]

What, however, is the consensus on the motives of Ruby's actions?

Ruby thought he would be the ultimate hero. He wanted to spare Jackie Kennedy the pain of returning to Dallas and testify.

The opposite of LHO, Ruby wanted to be everyone's best friend. If he thought you were important, he would buy your friendship.

Ruby was impulsive, excitable and couldn't hold a secret to save his life.

If you were looking for two people to never plot to shoot the president with, LHO and Jack Ruby would be that pair.

 

[SpitfireIX]

Evidence indicates that Ruby's action was likely a spur-of-the-moment decision. He had a history of violent behavior; further, he left his beloved dogs in his car when he entered the basement; had he premeditated his action, he likely would have left them at home. See here.

 

[Stamuel]

Evidence indicates that Ruby's action was likely a spur-of-the-moment decision. He had a history of violent behavior; further, he left his beloved dogs in his car when he entered the basement; had he premeditated his action, he likely would have left them at home. See here.

I have just been rereading the Ruby materials from the Warren Commission and elsewhere (after a friend said Ruby's motive was the one thing that didn't make sense to him). It does seem that it was spur of the moment: the Oswald transfer was an over an hour late, Ruby was only in the area to wire money through Western Union (less than a block from the garage), and Ruby always carried a gun when he had large sums of cash (he was carrying $2,000 at the time).



Background: Many witnesses testified that he was both sentimental and had a tendency to violence.



Motive: A few. First, he felt like he was part of history. He said so explicitly in his WC testimony. Witnesses say he told them this before the shooting, as well. He was at the press conference where Oswald spoke, and apparently really felt he was part of it, even correcting a statement made. He spent much of the 23rd investigating who placed an "Impeach Earl Warren" ad and who printed a Kennedy wanted poster, thinking they were involved. He went all over town following leads about this. He also bought sandwiches for cops who were working overtime, and he set up interviews with the DA for a radio station. In all of this, you get the sense of someone who increasingly feels important and closely involved.



Second, the assassination bothered him and he wanted to do something. Everyone who saw him that day remarked on how broken up he was. He closed his clubs for three days. Several witnesses testify he called Oswald a zero or a weasel, and he was upset that he could kill the president. Police testify that after arrest Ruby said someone had to kill Oswald, but the police couldn't.



Third, he wanted to spare Jackie having to testify at a trial. Several witnesses heard him lament her plight before he killed Oswald. After, this was the motive he proclaimed most often, probably because it is more admirable than his other motives.



He also said other things relating to motive, but the above is enough to suggest to me what allowed the impulse to kill Oswald to overtake him in that garage.

 

[kookbreaker]

Its also interesting to see how Ruby thought he would go free and be considered a hero. But it turned out that he had further embarrassed the already embarrassed City of Dallas. Then to make matters worse he got an attorney from out of state who thought he would wow the hicks on the jury.

Didn't work.

 

[JayUtah]

Then to make matters worse he got an attorney from out of state who thought he would wow the hicks on the jury.

I have some experience with rural juries. The last thing you want to do, if you can avoid it, is bring in a "big city" lawyer: they're looked upon as outsiders trying to change someone's way of thinking.

 

[SUSpilot]

I have some experience with rural juries. The last thing you want to do, if you can avoid it, is bring in a "big city" lawyer: they're looked upon as outsiders trying to change someone's way of thinking.

Wasn't that part of the premise of Anatomy of a Murder - George C. Scott as the big city prosecutor?

 

[LSSBB]

Wasn't that part of the premise of Anatomy of a Murder - George C. Scott as the big city prosecutor?

My Cousin Vinnie was a funny study in Big City lawyer and small town justice.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

My Cousin Vinnie was a funny hot study in Big City lawyer and small town justice Marisa Tomei.

To this yoot, anyway.

 

[Retrograde]

My opinion: Oswald, in the Book Depository, with a rifle. My favorite conspiracy theory: Kennedy was accidentally killed by the Secret Service reacting to the sounds of gunfire.

I came across a new argument for a conspiracy on (mostly) sane site today: it was obviously a conspiracy because Oswald didn't have a driver's license or know how to drive. (No, I don't understand it either.)

 

[mikado]

Did anyone else watch the excellent Four Corners episode? Very thought provoking, fantastic show.

 

[halleyscomet]

My opinion: Oswald, in the Book Depository, with a rifle. My favorite conspiracy theory: Kennedy was accidentally killed by the Secret Service reacting to the sounds of gunfire.

I came across a new argument for a conspiracy on (mostly) sane site today: it was obviously a conspiracy because Oswald didn't have a driver's license or know how to drive. (No, I don't understand it either.)

But WHERE was Alex P Keaton at the time????

And where was he the night the Titanic sank?

(Too obscure?)

 

[Robrob]

My opinion: Oswald, in the Book Depository, with a rifle. My favorite conspiracy theory: Kennedy was accidentally killed by the Secret Service reacting to the sounds of gunfire.

Although it falls apart on close consideration, that one at least has the advantage of fitting into a "what if" Hollywood style alternative history.

As we know, in CT-land if you can imagine it, it must be true.

 

[halleyscomet]

Although it falls apart on close consideration, that one at least has the advantage of fitting into a "what if" Hollywood style alternative history.

As we know, in CT-land if you can imagine it, it must be true.

So Alex Jones and David Icke really ARE part of a FOX News driven conspiracy to rule the world?