JFK's assassination: your thoughts

[BStrong]

Honestly Jay, you are out of your league; if you had a modicum of knowledge in regards to the Warren Commission you would not act like you do.



First, how do I know what? Second, terms of the contract are absolutely meaningless... again, you show your lack of knowledge. The FBI and CIA completely disavows various operations; the idea of "plausible denial" stays intact. Helms specifically says that Shaw provided information to the CIA. Your complete misunderstanding and total lack of reading of the WC report shows in your questions. If you would have read ALL of the Commission report, hearing testimony, executive sessions, evidence... you would never have had asked the questions you did.

You can't BS your way through this.

Shaw wasn't an "operator," nor was he involved in CIA operations, he was nothing more than a source.

Many individuuals in the era either volunteered information or acted as sources for the agency if approached.

There was no operation regarding Shaw to be disavowed.

 

[CORed]

Honestly Jay, you are out of your league;
...

Yeah, kind of like the Boston Red Sox are out of their league when playing an exhibition game against their class A farm team.

 

[Dcdrac]

Now this is worth a look

http://www.theguardian.com/books/20...-assassination-50-years-conspiracy-books-film

 

[I Ratant]

I just bought a magazine titled "JFK Assassination"... by the "Historical Collectors Edition".
60 some pages of what a good guy JFK was, 4 pages of conspiracy speculation.
Waste of money.
I won't be purchasing any of their other products.

 

[Wolrab]

Kennedy wasn't shot, at least by a gun. He was given an injection of super syphilis to discredit him and his head went Idi Amin Dada in 4.8 seconds.

 

[FrederickEason]

Kennedy wasn't shot, at least by a gun. He was given an injection of super syphilis to discredit him and his head went Idi Amin Dada in 4.8 seconds.

Does super syphilis have x-ray vision?

 

[Wolrab]

Does super syphilis have x-ray vision?

X-rated vision.

I just love how TPTB were supposedly so afraid of JFK spilling the beans that they set up this elaborate assassination, leaving such gaping anomalies that the CTers easily discover them. Why not just give him an STD and let the public find out? Then "assist" him with his suicide when his life falls apart.

 

[beachnut]

I'd say JREF is pretty much done as far as credibility.

Destiny Betrayed is a very serious well-researched book that proves Garrison's case. The thing about JREF is that it pretends a very high level of credibility through supposed site rules ... Honest people understand that's why JREF trolls are only left to mockery.

Destiny Betrayed is a long line of people in need to make money by spreading BS to fertilize the fruitful minds of conspiracy buffs. The CT here is the cottage industry of JFK CTs making money from gullible people.


In desperation, the failure of the JFK claptrap inspires empty, evidence free attacks on JREF posters.

Hundreds of millions of dollars over 50 years earned by people spreading BS - good work if you can get it, fooling the gullible, liberating their dollars for the the pursuit of happiness.

Which version of JFK "truth" made the most $$$,$$$,$$$.00 - 50 years of failed JFK non$e$e.

 

[Willy Ekerslike]

And I thought it was getting quiet around here after Robert's removal!
Go Jay.
If I had a popcorn gif you bet I'd be using it now.

 

[skepticidal]

50 years of failed JFK non$e$e.

If there was a conspiracy involving any of the letter agencies, I'd say the past 50 years has been a fight against no less than the US government itself. So, failure isn't an unexpected outcome.

But, then again I don't consider the fact that continuance of the myth that LHO did it still requires armies of paid disinformation agents to be a failure. The myth may persist in perpetuity. Why, then deem all of our efforts over 50 years to be a failure? Progress has been made and the chance that Americans will force the government to turn over its trove of secret documents remains.

After all, the government is nothing more than a group of representatives sworn to do what the collective of Americans asks. If the majority of Americans ask that the documents be turned over, I sincerely hope that request will be fulfilled.

You don't think the government would be just in refusing our request by claiming that withholding the documents is in our best interest, do you? Would you be satisfied with that response if it wasn't accompanied by an explanation? If so, that smacks of "trust me." I think we continue to see more clearly the result of trusting official US authorities.

Ultimately, I won't be proving who killed JFK. I just want to know what my functionaries know. And, if that requires dismantling the state security apparatus then so be it. If it requires in the process or leads to the disbandment of the entire government, well then we should do that.

All I'm really trying to do is destroy the US government, because I gotta hunch that it's corrupt as **** and WAY off its charter. What do you think about our government?

 

[kookbreaker]

What do you think about our government?

I think that we have another forum for that, and I think that basement revolutionaries are pathetic.

 

[RoboTimbo]

If there was a conspiracy involving any of the letter agencies, I'd say the past 50 years has been a fight against no less than the US government itself. So, failure isn't an unexpected outcome.

But, then again I don't consider the fact that continuance of the myth that LHO did it still requires armies of paid disinformation agents to be a failure.

One would think that with "armies of paid disinformation agents" that the CTs would be able to name some of them.

The myth may persist in perpetuity. Why, then deem all of our efforts over 50 years to be a failure? Progress has been made and the chance that Americans will force the government to turn over its trove of secret documents remains.

That CTs think it is a myth may persist into perpetuity. There will always be the fringes of society and the disaffected who need something to make them feel special.

After all, the government is nothing more than a group of representatives sworn to do what the collective of Americans asks. If the majority of Americans ask that the documents be turned over, I sincerely hope that request will be fulfilled.

You sincerely hope they never do so that the CTs can continue to speculate wildly.

You don't think the government would be just in refusing our request by claiming that withholding the documents is in our best interest, do you? Would you be satisfied with that response if it wasn't accompanied by an explanation? If so, that smacks of "trust me." I think we continue to see more clearly the result of trusting official US authorities.

We clearly see the folly of believing CTs, even if they were to ever come up with a coherent alternative explanation. I'd like to see them come up with just one single explanation between them. Of course, that will never happen.

Ultimately, I won't be proving who killed JFK.

Ultimately, nobody is surprised by that admission. Oswald has already been proven to be the lone assassin. His guilt is proven by the preponderence of the overwhelming evidence against him. Any CT who makes an attempt to pin it on someone else gets shredded to ribbons.

I just want to know what my functionaries know. And, if that requires dismantling the state security apparatus then so be it. If it requires in the process or leads to the disbandment of the entire government, well then we should do that.

Go get 'em, tiger!

All I'm really trying to do is destroy the US government, because I gotta hunch that it's corrupt as **** and WAY off its charter. What do you think about our government?

I think they don't think about CTs for a second.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

If there was a conspiracy involving any of the letter agencies, I'd say the past 50 years has been a fight against no less than the US government itself. So, failure isn't an unexpected outcome.

But, then again I don't consider the fact that continuance of the myth that LHO did it still requires armies of paid disinformation agents to be a failure. The myth may persist in perpetuity. Why, then deem all of our efforts over 50 years to be a failure? Progress has been made and the chance that Americans will force the government to turn over its trove of secret documents remains.

After all, the government is nothing more than a group of representatives sworn to do what the collective of Americans asks. If the majority of Americans ask that the documents be turned over, I sincerely hope that request will be fulfilled.

You don't think the government would be just in refusing our request by claiming that withholding the documents is in our best interest, do you? Would you be satisfied with that response if it wasn't accompanied by an explanation? If so, that smacks of "trust me." I think we continue to see more clearly the result of trusting official US authorities.

Ultimately, I won't be proving who killed JFK. I just want to know what my functionaries know. And, if that requires dismantling the state security apparatus then so be it. If it requires in the process or leads to the disbandment of the entire government, well then we should do that.

All I'm really trying to do is destroy the US government because I gotta hunch that it's corrupt as **** and WAY off its charter. What do you think about our government?

Needs work, but points for sounding like a Marvel super-villain.

 

[Border Reiver]

Needs work, but points for sounding like a Marvel super-villain.

I disagree - Marvel supervillians are much more logical, and far more likely to actually be able to prove their statements.

 

[Hans]

.....why would this super evil gub'mint keep secret files that will prove it is evil - why not just shred or burn them?

 

[Border Reiver]

.....why would this super evil gub'mint keep secret files that will prove it is evil - why not just shred or burn them?

Most would have been, but either the CTists subscribe to the "really competent, but not when it comes to concealing the issue or getting rid of people who find out the truth", or that another faction of government held onto the documents out of a sense of patriotism, or for some other nefarious purpose.

Either way, my vote is still that it was Red Skull...

 

[RoboTimbo]

.....why would this super evil gub'mint keep secret files that will prove it is evil - why not just shred or burn them?

Because that would be illegal. Duh.

 

[JThorndyke]

IMHO....
Having stood where Oswald stood...and tramped back and forth through the Plaza, I am certain that:
Oswald - if he ever even fired a shot, did not act alone.
The "kill" shot came from the area of the grassy knoll
The warren commission was pages and pages of fiction weaved through precious little fact.
IMHO....

 

[I Ratant]

JT, There've been several threads on this here.
Read all of them.
Every single exception to LHOLN has been dismissed and buried.

 

[thedopefishlives]

IMHO....
Having stood where Oswald stood...and tramped back and forth through the Plaza, I am certain that:
Oswald - if he ever even fired a shot, did not act alone.
The "kill" shot came from the area of the grassy knoll
The warren commission was pages and pages of fiction weaved through precious little fact.
IMHO....

Your personal incredulity does not make it a fact. Care to try again?