Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories V: Five for Fighting

[HSienzant]

John Orr did not make the animation, he simply presented it in a way that demonstrated his personal theories.

And that makes the animation correct exactly how?

And that makes his personal theories correct exactly how?

And that rebuts my points exactly how?

And those bullet-point claims from his list @ 3:36 in his video become true exactly why?

And the problems I found @8:13 and 9:31 go away because why?

Because he didn't make the animation?

Hilarious!

Hank

 

[HSienzant]

What about this computer simulation?

[qimg]https://media.giphy.com/media/kgOQQFfVHU2AM/giphy.gif[/qimg]

I mean if someone made this it must be evidence, right?

[qimg]https://media.giphy.com/media/XV74ZvGRXcZdS/giphy.gif[/qimg]

Bought a lot of Marvel comics when I was a kid... including stuff like Fantastic Four #4 and Amazing Fantasy #15 -- at a dime each.

Wish I hadn't tossed them when I grew up.

They could fund my retirement.

https://www.ha.com/heritage-auction...llion-vintage-comics-auction.s?releaseId=2898

Hank

 

[Dave Rogers]

Bought a lot of Marvel comics when I was a kid... including stuff like Fantastic Four #4 and Amazing Fantasy #15 -- at a dime each.

Wish I hadn't tossed them when I grew up.

They could fund my retirement.

And, of course, they could prove that the Fantastic Four really existed, because if someone drew the artwork it must be evidence.

Dave

 

[HSienzant]

And, of course, they could prove that the Fantastic Four really existed, because if someone drew the artwork it must be evidence.

Dave

And it proves alternate universes are leaking into this one, as in this bizarre theory:

https://www.gaia.com/lp/content/a-parallel-dimension-is-changing-people-and-events-in-our-universe/

I remembered the comics cost a dime each, but the covers for both Fantastic Four #4 and Amazing Fantasy #15 show a cost of 12 cents.

I'm not enough of an egotist to believe the world revolves around me and my memories, but if I was, I could claim:

SO IT'S NOT MY MEMORY THAT'S WRONG, THE WORLD HAS CHANGED! AND IT'S THE FAULT OF THE SCIENTISTS AT CERN!

Hank

 

[bknight]

The new Oswald mock trial's ethics panel features a 3D animation traced over the Zapruder Film which can be considered a rebuttal to Dale Myers. Here's a video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH_r1uDCa88&t=18m1s

This video is really tainted by the obvious bias of the author. Others have rebutted the fantasy presented in it with impossible trajectories, man on top of the building, which no one saw. Interesting but a man was seen in the 6th floor depository window but not on top of the building. All in all a very shabbily created idea not substantiated by facts just a CT poor representation of the actual event.
Dale's work was verified by others in the 3-D animation industry for accuracy, this bozo just published on the renown YouTube. Wake up and smell the roses as Axmann300 and Hank have done.

 

[Dave Rogers]

And it proves alternate universes are leaking into this one

As, of course, does a great deal of the pro-conspiracy evidence on offer in this very thread.

Dave

 

[Tomtomkent]

No... It’s our Universe bleeding into Marvel. Gwen-pool said so.

 

[HSienzant]

As, of course, does a great deal of the pro-conspiracy evidence on offer in this very thread.

Dave

Yes. Of course, this could also explain why conspiracy theorist's claims never match up with the facts. The facts have changed because the world changed, not because they were ever wrong. They were right all along, but the ground, in effect, moved under their feet.

http://mandelaeffect.com/more-moving-countries/

And note this comment to the article by someone named 'Jeremy':
I’ve always been fascinated by the 4th dimension, since early childhood. I stumbled upon this site yesterday when researching timeslips like the ones that have occurred in Liverpool, England (interesting Google search for those who don’t know). These comments have no less than fascinated me. I’ve been reading for well over 6 hours and I’m only to this point so far. I’ve read every comment with care. Never have I been so interested in a single article. The nearly unanimous agreement between so many posters is something I’ve never came across in this wide web of our world. It seems there is definitely something that happened which is collectively remembered. Since timeline slips normally seem to be personal experiences, I wonder if this particular event was some kind of psy-op? There are not so many posts of the other events, so there is a factor of possible mis-memory, but the Mandela funeral, there’s just too many people who remember it. I wonder if there are experiments of implanting memories into people happening? When something is a memory it’s impossible to tell whether it was implanted or “real.” I’m 99.9% certain the parallel universe theory is correct(ie: all possible arrangements of particles exist at all times, and we see whatever results from that arrangement), but something is strange about this Mandela effect. My #1 theory is perhaps there was a TV broadcast to certain geographical areas as a sort of propaganda psy-op type of thing. Theory #2 would be an experiment with mass implanted memories via some means, perhaps wireless. Theory #3 would be a timeline slip with mass numbers involved. I’ve had items that I know existed disappear from right next to me, most recently a few days ago, so I know we live in a very exotic reality. I was originally posting to say this about NZ lol, but off I went, like I said the topic fascinates me: I too remember NZ being more Northern, but I’m wondering if this is from the effect of modelling a three dimensional sphere on a two dimensional plane(one of the few impossibilities in our reality, lol!). Some paper maps are stretched out in different manners which change the geography and this effect is magnified in the polar regions.

Hank

 

[MicahJava]

This video is really tainted by the obvious bias of the author. Others have rebutted the fantasy presented in it with impossible trajectories, man on top of the building, which no one saw. Interesting but a man was seen in the 6th floor depository window but not on top of the building. All in all a very shabbily created idea not substantiated by facts just a CT poor representation of the actual event.
Dale's work was verified by others in the 3-D animation industry for accuracy, this bozo just published on the renown YouTube. Wake up and smell the roses as Axmann300 and Hank have done.

LOL at Dale Myers being "verified". See the debunking of that:

Here is Speer's chapter on the SBT animations, with responses to the FAQ section of Dale's website: http://www.patspeer.com/chapter12c%3Aanimania

Nobody in their right mind should take Dale seriously. All we know about his animation is a clip from a propaganda television special and some screenshots and writings from his website. He has not released his computer data. Is this the behavior of a man who used photographic evidence to prove one of the biggest forensic controversies ever? No.

Look at this funny bit on his website where his JFK project was "reviewed" by the Z-Axis animation company: http://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/zaxis.htm

Let's take a look at the website of Z-Axis to see where they display their finest work: http://www.zaxis.com/experience/our-history/

These people do little more than create CARTOONS as explanatory tools in court cases. Let's see their top 8 list:

1. A 3D cartoon of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill disaster.

2. A 3D computer model of a building.

3. A 3D cartoon of how a CD drive works.

4. Helped create several 3D cartoons of an old man with arthritis.

5. Helped create several 3D cartoons showing why smoking is bad for you.

6. A 3D animation of the WTC destruction with the planes crashing into the Twin Towers, which calls itself Finite Element Analysis but certainly is not a comprehensive FEA that models the physics of that event in the fullest, realest sense.

7. A 3D cartoon explaining how to use a computer to surf the internet.

8. Another 3D cartoon showing why smoking is bad for you.

This is Dale Meyers' "peer-review", people! What the Z-Axis company does has no relation on the project's intention to "trace over" the Zapruder Film and other films of Dealey Plaza to create a near-perfect 3D recreation.

This kind of behavior should cast doubt on any other work he did on the JFK case. For all we know, he has fabricated interviews.

 

[HSienzant]

LOL at Dale Myers being "verified".

Given that no one here to my knowledge has professed to being convinced of a lone assassin by the Myers video, or conversely, convinced of a conspiracy by the video you cited in response, why are you arguing over competing videos instead of the facts of the case?

Please note, however, that Myers has won FOUR Emmy awards for his animation work.
http://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/anim.htm

Quoting a conspiracy theorist who objects to anything pointing to a lone assassin (what a surprise!) is hardly worthy of a response. So he claims Myers recreations aren't accurate enough to suit his tastes. So what? Myers still won four Emmy's.

How many has your video creator won?

Hank

 

[HSienzant]

No... It’s our Universe bleeding into Marvel. Gwen-pool said so.

Was always partial to Stacy myself.

Hank

 

[Axxman300]

Pacal, did you even see the 3D animation I linked above which can be considered serious evidence against the Single Bullet Theory?

The problem is that the physical and ballistic evidence points to one of two things:

1: One shot entered the President's upper back and exited his throat, and then struck Connally (which is well within the performance envelope of the 6.5x52mm Carcano round).

2. All three of Oswald's shots hit someone. The problem is that only two bullets were recovered, and both were fired from Oswald's rifle.

 

[Axxman300]

LOL at Dale Myers being "verified". See the debunking of that:

Problem is that nothing you posted debunked Myers' work. Pat Speer is a CT-loon, not an independent thinker. Several of his points are wrong.

Myers' animation lines up with the laser work done by investigators in the late 1990's.

More to the point, unlike you, Z-Axis does all the research. They do onsite measurements, conduct interviews, review investigation materials, and photographs.

Unlike you're pet theories, Z-Axis' work has to hold up in a court of law, and often their video recreations have to compete with computer sims advanced by the other side.

Z-Axis has a reputation to maintain, something you should think about.

 

[bknight]

Here is Speer's chapter on the SBT animations, with responses to the FAQ section of Dale's website: http://www.patspeer.com/chapter12c%3Aanimania

Well it is well known that there is no love lost between Speers and Myers

Nobody in their right mind should take Dale seriously. All we know about his animation is a clip from a propaganda television special and some screenshots and writings from his website. He has not released his computer data. Is this the behavior of a man who used photographic evidence to prove one of the biggest forensic controversies ever? No.

Why is this behavior unusual? Lots of companies and/or individuals have proprietary processes/methods they wish to keep out of others hands. There is no mystery here unless it is Speer attempt to smear the results because he can't rebut the animation, which by the way in spite of what you or Speer indicate is a 3-D model that can be verified back to the original Zapruder film. What has Speer offered?

Look at this funny bit on his website where his JFK project was "reviewed" by the Z-Axis animation company: http://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/zaxis.htm

And what do you find funny about their review? At least it is a review, can Speer present a review of his work, not by other CT's mind you.

Let's take a look at the website of Z-Axis to see where they display their finest work: http://www.zaxis.com/experience/our-history/

These people do little more than create CARTOONS as explanatory tools in court cases. Let's see their top 8 list:

1. A 3D cartoon of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill disaster.

2. A 3D computer model of a building.

3. A 3D cartoon of how a CD drive works.

4. Helped create several 3D cartoons of an old man with arthritis.

5. Helped create several 3D cartoons showing why smoking is bad for you.

He works for clients that requests certain animations. You call them cartoons because your insight is so limited, but that is another story.

6. A 3D animation of the WTC destruction with the planes crashing into the Twin Towers, which calls itself Finite Element Analysis but certainly is not a comprehensive FEA that models the physics of that event in the fullest, realest sense.

We have all seen you lack of knowledge of any science/technology in consideration of the WTC event. You wouldn't know FEA from potential energy converts to kinetic energy causing disastrous results. Remember FIRE IS BAD.

7. A 3D cartoon explaining how to use a computer to surf the internet.

8. Another 3D cartoon showing why smoking is bad for you.

See above quote

This is Dale Meyers' "peer-review", people! What the Z-Axis company does has no relation on the project's intention to "trace over" the Zapruder Film and other films of Dealey Plaza to create a near-perfect 3D recreation.

If Myers' work methods are not available to the general public as you noted earlier, how do you or Speer have the foggiest idea how is work is accomplished. This is another of a long list of red herrings, you post.

This kind of behavior should cast doubt on any other work he did on the JFK case. For all we know, he has fabricated interviews.

Again incase you don't read Meyers' work has been peer reviewed, not by CT's

 

[HSienzant]

So we're off in yet another direction.

What happened to the EOP bullet that exited the throat?

Dropped.

What happened to the late autopsy concluding about 2:30?

Dropped.

Now we're debating whether a video recreation is accurate or not?

That's the best you got?

Hilarious.

Hank

 

[bknight]

So we're off in yet another direction.

What happened to the EOP bullet that exited the throat?

Dropped.

What happened to the late autopsy concluding about 2:30?

Dropped.

Now we're debating whether a video recreation is accurate or not?

That's the best you got?

Hilarious.

Hank

Prolonging the agony.

 

[MicahJava]

Given that no one here to my knowledge has professed to being convinced of a lone assassin by the Myers video, or conversely, convinced of a conspiracy by the video you cited in response, why are you arguing over competing videos instead of the facts of the case?

Please note, however, that Myers has won FOUR Emmy awards for his animation work.
http://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/anim.htm

Quoting a conspiracy theorist who objects to anything pointing to a lone assassin (what a surprise!) is hardly worthy of a response. So he claims Myers recreations aren't accurate enough to suit his tastes. So what? Myers still won four Emmy's.

How many has your video creator won?

Hank

This is the logical fallacy called the "appeal to authority". In no way can you show that local Emmy awards count as some kind of peer-review. If Dale wanted to prove that his animation truly fit all of the forensic evidence, he would release all of his computer files. This guy absolutely hates the idea of people checking his work and defends his behavior with copyright Nazi BS.

 

[Axxman300]

This is the logical fallacy called the "appeal to authority". In no way can you show that local Emmy awards count as some kind of peer-review. If Dale wanted to prove that his animation truly fit all of the forensic evidence, he would release all of his computer files. This guy absolutely hates the idea of people checking his work and defends his behavior with copyright Nazi BS.

Once again, your research habits are cutting you off at the knees.

Z-Axis does animations for legal proceedings, which means their work is subject to cross-examination under oath. Nobody cares about Emmys, but the fact is their work holds up in court rooms in the US and UK:

http://www.zaxis.com/our-portfolio/sample-cases/

In the case of the Deep Water Horizon, Z-Axis is working for BP in the many lawsuits which followed that disaster. They have access to all of the technical data needed. If there was a credibility problem with Z-Axis then BP would hire someone else. Just a quick glance of their client list tells me two things: They do quality work, and I couldn't afford to hire them.

 

[bknight]

This is the logical fallacy called the "appeal to authority".

You should know enough about logical fallacies, since all of your posts contain many of them

In no way can you show that local Emmy awards count as some kind of peer-review. If Dale wanted to prove that his animation truly fit all of the forensic evidence, he would release all of his computer files. This guy absolutely hates the idea of people checking his work and defends his behavior with copyright Nazi BS.

Now you have a psychologist degree among your other claims? You have no idea why he protects his vested interest, other than what CT's propose. I have indicated to you before that many individuals/companies protect processes/procedures they deem proprietary. you don't like Meyers' work because it completely destroys any semblance of a conspiracy. Three shots from the 6th floor of the TSBD with LHO tied to the shooting, nothing else. Go peddle your fantasies with someone who doesn't look at the evidence the same behavior as you display.

 

[HSienzant]

This is the logical fallacy called the "appeal to authority".

No, it's not. Try again. Who do you think votes for those awards?

In no way can you show that local Emmy awards count as some kind of peer-review.

Emmy's are national awards.

If Dale wanted to prove that his animation truly fit all of the forensic evidence, he would release all of his computer files. This guy absolutely hates the idea of people checking his work and defends his behavior with copyright Nazi BS.

Wouldn't those complaints apply to the video you cited here as well:

Pacal, did you even see the 3D animation I linked above which can be considered serious evidence against the Single Bullet Theory?

Who created that video? Where's their algorithms? How did they create it? How many awards have they won? Why don't they prove their animation truly fits all the forensic evidence? Do they hate people checking their work? Do they defend their copyrights?

None of that bothered you in the least when you cited that video, and apparently it still doesn't. This leads me to conclude - based on the evidence before me - that your arguments against Dale Myers are lobbed solely because you don't like his conclusions, not because of any fault you've isolated with his work.

It's called a double-standard, and your arguments here criticizing Myers and defending the work shown during Orr's talk illustrates that very well, as the criticisms you level against Myers apply at least as well to the video you cited as rebutting his work.

I pointed out specific issues with both Orr's talk and that video recreation. You've had plenty of opportunity to defend both. You've done neither.

What should we conclude from your responses here?

Hank