JFK Assassination--Split from "Gas Station Video"

[negativ]

Guys, guys, guys. I used to drink the JFK kool-aide too, but this was all laid to rest years ago.

The actual pre-Internet Dead Sea Scrolls Hard Copy Tangible Object That You Can Actually Hold In Your Hands Print Edition of the Book of the SubGenius even has diagrams of Dealey Plaza showing the firing points of all 42 shooters.

 

[WildCat]

I'm trying to inform the public that there was more than one Oswald. As best as I know, neither Oswald killed President Kennedy or wounded Gov. Connally. There were shooters on the roof of the Texas School Book Depository, on the Dal-Tex fire escapes, on the Grassy Knoll and possibly under the triple underpass. Harvey Oswald was watching the motorcade like everyone else in the TSBD. He was on the steps next to Billy Lovelady, who looked a lot like Oswald. You can see this in a photo taken by photographer Altgens. In the foreground you see President Kennedy struggling with his tie knot -- he's been shot. In the background on the left you see Billy Lovelady and someone else with his face whited out. That's Harvey Oswald. He was watching the parade.

If I'm crazy, then so is everyone on jfkresearch.com/forum

kc440

Ding ding ding ding! Give that man a Cupie doll!

 

[StoneWT]

kc,

You're using circular reasoning.

When Kennedy emerges from the sign (which, by the way, is inserted into the film later), it is clear to anyone with eyes that Kennedy has been shot in the throat from the front. Then Secret Serviceman Greer pulls the car to the left and stops. The President is shot from the right/front. This stop is removed from the film.

Actually, you're talking a bit like Big Jim Fetzer. This is natural as you blindly absorbed the material in his books.

Kennedy's arms being raised, by itself, tells us nothing conclusive about where the shot(s) came from. Real analysis is done by compiling available evidence from many fields. Just staring at a few frames as a layman does not equal Columbo. The 'stop' is a fiction. Quote mining found a few nuggets, but they're pyrite.

Lee Harvey Oswald killed nobody. There is a landmark book called "Harvey and Lee" by John Armstrong. You can buy this from jfk.research.com. Two people sharing the same identity. A CIA project begun when they were children, tailored to Nazi experiments with twins. It's believed that Harvey and Lee were cousins. As they grew older, the CIA played with the idea of making them spies. But it all culminated when they needed a patsy -- Harvey. Lee killed Officer Tippit.

I'm trying to inform the public that there was more than one Oswald. As best as I know, neither Oswald killed President Kennedy or wounded Gov. Connally. There were shooters on the roof of the Texas School Book Depository, on the Dal-Tex fire escapes, on the Grassy Knoll and possibly under the triple underpass. Harvey Oswald was watching the motorcade like everyone else in the TSBD. He was on the steps next to Billy Lovelady, who looked a lot like Oswald. You can see this in a photo taken by photographer Altgens. In the foreground you see President Kennedy struggling with his tie knot -- he's been shot. In the background on the left you see Billy Lovelady and someone else with his face whited out. That's Harvey Oswald. He was watching the parade.

If I'm crazy, then so is everyone on jfkresearch.com/forum

Double Oswalds. Double Oswalds that fooled his mother, wife and best friend (George de Mohrenschildt).

Billie Lovelady testified that he was in the doorway. Oswald was discovered with a soda inside the building shortly after the assassination. There is no 'whited out' face. Lovelady and the people standing next to him are in the background. There simply isn't enough grain in the small areas occupied by their faces to give crystal clear views. This is a common mistake made by JFK theorists and 9/11 CTers.

This dog don't hunt.

 

[CurtC]

It hid the awkward turn onto Elm Street (Why didn't they stay on Main St?)

Holy cow, not only do you fall for lies, you're not even familiar with the verifiable basics of the case. The didn't stay on Main because you can't get to northbound Stemmons Freeway from Main St. Only Elm St has access to NB Stemmons.

Holy cow what a nut.

 

[HeyLeroy]

To Quote Josiah Thomson: During the preparation of black and white copies, the original is broken in several places by photo technicians. Splices are made

Those splices were deliberately made. It hid the awkward turn onto Elm Street (Why didn't they stay on Main St?) and that Kennedy was going to be shot from the front. Suddenly the Stemmons Freeway sign is in the way of the camera. When Kennedy emerges from the sign (which, by the way, is inserted into the film later), it is clear to anyone with eyes that Kennedy has been shot in the throat from the front. Then Secret Serviceman Greer pulls the car to the left and stops. The President is shot from the right/front. This stop is removed from the film.

As for Zapruder, who suffered from vertigo, that wall on which he stood is so narrow and high, I wouldn't get on it. I don't think he filmed the entire assassination. And then they finally show the film in the early '70's, ready for American consumption.

As for James Fetzer, I agree. He will do anything to attract attention to himself. But the chapters were written by highly technically trained scientists and other professionals.

kc440

Had Kennedy been shot from the front the bullet would've pierced the windshield.

During this stop, did 'they' swap out the windshield, too?

His clothins showed clear signs that the throat shot came from the back. The fibers from his shirt and jacket were pushed inward, consistent with the shot originating from behind. His shirt and tie in the front showed the fibers being pushed outward, also consistent with the shot originating from behind.

Did the hitsquad also include a haberdasher, there to swap his clothing while the windshield was being replaced?

 

[qarnos]

It's not idiocy, it's patriotism. Please read this book: The Great Zapruder Film Hoax, edited by Jim Fetzer. There are chapters that are very technical and written by scientists. What is wrong with wanting to know who killed our President?

kc440

There are chapters which are very technical and written by scientists?

Holy crap!!!

I surrender to this infallable appeal to authority. Obviously, these guys must know their stuff.

 

[Brian Pears]

If I'm crazy, then so is everyone on jfkresearch.com/forum

kc440

You said it.

 

[Brian Pears]

But I'm still not 100% sure, maybe 99.9%. Maybe because this is a nostalgic conspiracy theory. Maybe because there are still classified documents? All prove indicates Oswald killed JFK, and I can't disagree with the troof. But there will allways be a little bit of JFK CT within me.

I was a confirmed JFK CT for years - from the moment LHO was shot in Dallas, in fact. It was the only CT I ever gave any credence to, but I was in no doubt about it; JFK wasn't killed by a lone-nut assassin.

But that documentary did it for me too - virtually all the troubling apparent inconsistencies were not just explained but completely demolished. I was possiby 99% convinced by the debunking, but when I saw an interview with LHO's brother - a brother I'd never heard mention of previously - this shot up to 100%. His analysis of his brother's character and state of mind was very enlightening indeed - he wasn't at all surprised at what his brother did, so why should I doubt it.

 

[Bell]

I was a confirmed JFK CT for years - from the moment LHO was shot in Dallas, in fact. It was the only CT I ever gave any credence to, but I was in no doubt about it; JFK wasn't killed by a lone-nut assassin.

But that documentary did it for me too - virtually all the troubling apparent inconsistencies were not just explained but completely demolished. I was possiby 99% convinced by the debunking, but when I saw an interview with LHO's brother - a brother I'd never heard mention of previously - this shot up to 100%. His analysis of his brother's character and state of mind was very enlightening indeed - he wasn't at all surprised at what his brother did, so why should I doubt it.

Do you know of a linky to that interview? (if it's on the net thingy, that is) I'd like to read that one. If not, I'll search for myself. Could help me with that last bit of doubt.

On the other hand, I kind of like it this way, that wee bit of uncertancy

 

[Brian Pears]

Do you know of a linky to that interview? (if it's on the net thingy, that is) I'd like to read that one. If not, I'll search for myself. Could help me with that last bit of doubt.

On the other hand, I kind of like it this way, that wee bit of uncertancy

The interview with Robert Oswald is at http://tinyurl.com/ktvl2

And I note that the documentary we saw is available on DVD:

http://tinyurl.com/ndxob

(Sorry can't post URL's yet)

Brian Pears
Gateshead

 

[Bell]

Thanks, Brian!

 

[calebprime]

This is getting weird. I'm actually starting to love cops and dislike musicians!
(kc440 sounds like a musician's handle. Truthseeker1234 is an "audio professional.") Just want everyone to know that all musicians are crazy but not all of us believe everything we saw on the X-files. In music, you embrace something because it sounds cool. This may have something to do with the problem. Ad hom, sure.

 

[kc440_]

Brace Yourself

Double Oswalds. Double Oswalds that fooled his mother, wife and best friend (George de Mohrenschildt).

There were 2 Marguerites. Two mothers. Read Harvey and Lee by John Armstrong.

One researcher told me that when Marina identified the body of Lee Harvey Oswald, she lifted one of his eyelids. Harvey had gray-blue eyes and Lee had brown eyes. I tell you this because the public should know, but I must find a way to substantiate Marina doing this. So don't condemn me.

kc440

 

[kc440_]

The X-Files Remark

"... not all of us believe everything we saw on the X-files.

I think I saw one episode of that show. I tend to watch news and documentaries. My favorite shows are Big Brother, The Apprentice and Project Runway.

kc440

 

[kc440_]

The Interview with Robert Oswald

The interview with Robert Oswald is at http://tinyurl.com/ktvl2

Robert Oswald is not related to Harvey Oswald, as far as we know. These people were on Intel dole IMO. When asked if he had seen his "nieces" since the Assassination, watched them grow up, he replied No. Because they are not his relatives. I think someone in the community of Kennedy researchers asked Robert to take a blood test (to see if he was related to the girls). He refused.

BTW, until only recently, Robert Oswald was living in Wichita Falls, TX with his phone number in the telephone book along with his address. Why take cover now? DNA testing?

kc440

 

[Stellafane]

There were 2 Marguerites. Two mothers. Read Harvey and Lee by John Armstrong...

Hey, why stop there? Maybe there were two Kennedies, two Jackies, two LBJs, two cities of Dallas. And maybe there were three Oswalds, or four, or a baker's dozen...

Seriously dude, do you realize how utterly nuts you sound? If this is the kind of far-fetched, bizarre crap that has to be true before the "lone gunman" theory is wrong, then doesn't that tell you something?

 

[calebprime]

The interview with Robert Oswald is at http://tinyurl.com/ktvl2

And I note that the documentary we saw is available on DVD:

http://tinyurl.com/ndxob

(Sorry can't post URL's yet)

Brian Pears
Gateshead

Robert Oswald is not related to Harvey Oswald, as far as we know. These people were on Intel dole IMO. When asked if he had seen his "nieces" since the Assassination, watched them grow up, he replied No. Because they are not his relatives. I think someone in the community of Kennedy researchers asked Robert to take a blood test (to see if he was related to the girls). He refused.

BTW, until only recently, Robert Oswald was living in Wichita Falls, TX with his phone number in the telephone book along with his address. Why take cover now? DNA testing?

kc440

my bold

First, you phrase this as if we're talking about James the brother of Jesus. This info is not lost in the mists of time!

Are you seriously suggesting that Robert Oswald was able to fool everyone, The Warren Commission, etc. about his basic identity? That he came forward and is all over the W.C. report, but no-one close to Lee Harvey Oswald came forward to suggest he was a fraud? The W.C. report goes into a great deal of detail about him. Ever read it? There are 14 citations in the index! This is not something slightly tricky like reconstructing the ballistics after the fact. This is just a simple matter of asking the relevant people involved a basic question about who is related to whom.

Another great phrase--"the community of Kennedy researchers". Yes, this august group of scholars, patiently toiling away at the truth.

"Why take cover now?"-- This is a leading question that assumes facts not in evidence and is vague as well. But I'll answer: Why now? Because he knows you're on to him!

 

[firecoins]

As for Zapruder, who suffered from vertigo, that wall on which he stood is so narrow and high, I wouldn't get on it. I don't think he filmed the entire assassination. And then they finally show the film in the early '70's, ready for American consumption.
kc440

How do you know if Zapruder suffered Vertigo? D0 you suffer from Vertigo?

 

[Bell]

How do you know if Zapruder suffered Vertigo? D0 you suffer from Vertigo?

All that I know is that he asked his (storeassistant?) that she should hold him, as to give him support. Which sounds quite logical, if one does not want to tumble down while filming the presidential motorcage.

And even if he did suffer from vertigo, is there only one degree? Or maybe more? I'll guess the latter.

 

[kc440_]

Main or Elm

Holy cow, not only do you fall for lies, you're not even familiar with the verifiable basics of the case. The didn't stay on Main because you can't get to northbound Stemmons Freeway from Main St. Only Elm St has access to NB Stemmons.

Holy cow what a nut.

That's the first time I ever heard that explanation. I will look into it. Please refrain from calling me names because we don't agree.

kc440