JFK Assassination--Split from "Gas Station Video"

[kc440_]

Relevance?

(I don't want to break the thread, but since you asked: the Zapruder Film and all photos and films taken of the Kennedy Assassination were doctored before most of them were returned to their owners. Some photos, etc., were never returned. The Z-Film is crap. The Secret Service man driving the limo, pulled over to the left and came to a stop. He turned to look at Kennedy. Kennedy got shot from the right front. The limo driver turned around and hit the gas. This sequence has been removed from the film in order to shield Secret Service complicity.

The photo techs did a lousey job.

kc440)

 

[kc440_]

Z-Film

Yes, and all the witnesses report the limo stopping before Kennedy was shot.

Oh, wait.

Okay, maybe their minds were altered by the FBI before being returned to them.

Sorry for the derail. This kind of idiocy burns me up.

It's not idiocy, it's patriotism. Please read this book: The Great Zapruder Film Hoax, edited by Jim Fetzer. There are chapters that are very technical and written by scientists. What is wrong with wanting to know who killed our President?

kc440

 

[Bell]

It's not idiocy, it's patriotism. Please read this book: The Great Zapruder Film Hoax, edited by Jim Fetzer. There are chapters that are very technical and written by scientists. What is wrong with wanting to know who killed our President?

kc440

 

[Gravy]

It's not idiocy, it's patriotism. Please read this book: The Great Zapruder Film Hoax, edited by Jim Fetzer. There are chapters that are very technical and written by scientists. What is wrong with wanting to know who killed our President?

kc440

Nothing. But there's a lot wrong with spouting nonsense about how JFK was killed. Now please take that idiocy to another thread. As for Jim "All structural engineers deserve a special place in Hell" Fetzer's credibility, here's a visual aid: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1924594&postcount=69

 

[jhunter1163]

KC:

It was Lee Harvey Oswald. All by himself. With his gun.

You're welcome.

John

 

[StoneWT]

Don't dishonor Kennedy's memory with BS theories

(I don't want to break the thread, but since you asked: the Zapruder Film and all photos and films taken of the Kennedy Assassination were doctored before most of them were returned to their owners. Some photos, etc., were never returned. The Z-Film is crap. The Secret Service man driving the limo, pulled over to the left and came to a stop. He turned to look at Kennedy. Kennedy got shot from the right front. The limo driver turned around and hit the gas. This sequence has been removed from the film in order to shield Secret Service complicity.

The photo techs did a lousey job.

It's not idiocy, it's patriotism. Please read this book: The Great Zapruder Film Hoax, edited by Jim Fetzer. There are chapters that are very technical and written by scientists. What is wrong with wanting to know who killed our President?

I bought Assassination Science and The Great Zapruder Film Hoax. The sections on the Zapruder film are crap. Fetzer is a publicity hound. He hijacks the work of others and slaps on a small chapter just to get his name on a book.

WHY THE ZAPRUDER FILM IS AUTHENTIC

Presented in Dallas on Friday, 11/20/98 by
Dr. Josiah Thompson

The text below covers several points raised in the "Zapruder alteration" debate. Dr. Thompson walks us through what devious persons would have thought if they decided to undertake the alteration of the Zapruder film. Then he provides us with a "Zapruder Film Possession Timeline." He next debunks two re-hashed assertions that were recently published in James Fetzer's "Assassination Science" - first, that the NPIC possessed the Zapruder film on November 22, 1963, and second, Fetzer's tendency to pull facts out of context from others' works to suit his needs - and forsake the original authors' intent.
- Clint Bradford, 11/24/98

 

[defaultdotxbe]

just goes to show you CTs can spin anything to suit them

Z-film is real = back and to the left

Z-film is fake = slef explanitory

 

[kc440_]

Zapruder Film Hoax

I bought Assassination Science and The Great Zapruder Film Hoax. The sections on the Zapruder film are crap. Fetzer is a publicity hound. He hijacks the work of others and slaps on a small chapter just to get his name on a book.

WHY THE ZAPRUDER FILM IS AUTHENTIC

Presented in Dallas on Friday, 11/20/98 by
Dr. Josiah Thompson

To Quote Josiah Thomson: During the preparation of black and white copies, the original is broken in several places by photo technicians. Splices are made

Those splices were deliberately made. It hid the awkward turn onto Elm Street (Why didn't they stay on Main St?) and that Kennedy was going to be shot from the front. Suddenly the Stemmons Freeway sign is in the way of the camera. When Kennedy emerges from the sign (which, by the way, is inserted into the film later), it is clear to anyone with eyes that Kennedy has been shot in the throat from the front. Then Secret Serviceman Greer pulls the car to the left and stops. The President is shot from the right/front. This stop is removed from the film.

As for Zapruder, who suffered from vertigo, that wall on which he stood is so narrow and high, I wouldn't get on it. I don't think he filmed the entire assassination. And then they finally show the film in the early '70's, ready for American consumption.

As for James Fetzer, I agree. He will do anything to attract attention to himself. But the chapters were written by highly technically trained scientists and other professionals.

kc440

 

[Gravy]

To Quote Josiah Thomson:

Again, take it to another thread. There's already one started. Knock yourself out.

Read Hal Bidlack's comments yet?

 

[kc440_]

Lee Harvey Oswald killed nobody. There is a landmark book called "Harvey and Lee" by John Armstrong. You can buy this from jfk.research.com. Two people sharing the same identity. A CIA project begun when they were children, tailored to Nazi experiments with twins. It's believed that Harvey and Lee were cousins. As they grew older, the CIA played with the idea of making them spies. But it all culminated when they needed a patsy -- Harvey. Lee killed Officer Tippit.

kc440

 

[Gravy]

Lee Harvey Oswald killed nobody. There is a landmark book called "Harvey and Lee" by John Armstrong. You can buy this from jfk.research.com. Two people sharing the same identity. A CIA project begun when they were children, tailored to Nazi experiments with twins. It's believed that Harvey and Lee were cousins. As they grew older, the CIA played with the idea of making them spies. But it all culminated when they needed a patsy -- Harvey. Lee killed Officer Tippit.

kc440

Okay, I'm going to report this to the mods. It'll be my first complaint. Nice job, kc.

 

[Bell]

Lee Harvey Oswald killed nobody. There is a landmark book called "Harvey and Lee" by John Armstrong. You can buy this from jfk.research.com. Two people sharing the same identity. A CIA project begun when they were children, tailored to Nazi experiments with twins. It's believed that Harvey and Lee were cousins. As they grew older, the CIA played with the idea of making them spies. But it all culminated when they needed a patsy -- Harvey. Lee killed Officer Tippit.

kc440

John F. Kennedy and Lee Harvey Oswald reside in this thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61416

 

[kookbreaker]

It's not idiocy, it's patriotism. Please read this book: The Great Zapruder Film Hoax, edited by Jim Fetzer. There are chapters that are very technical and written by scientists. What is wrong with wanting to know who killed our President?

kc440

Even JFK conspiracists realise that Fetzer is full of crap.

Fetzer is luck that 911 came along, he was about to be low man on the totem pole of JFK conspriacy nutters. He's the meat so rotten even the dog won't eat it.

 

[Bell]

Well, since our posts got moved to the appropiat thread, let me say this:

I used to think that the JFK conspiracy was true, mainly influenced by Oliver Stone (how the 9/11 deniers must hate him now). It also seemed very plausible. You didn't need a lot of people to pull this of. The faked (?) pictures of Oswald, Kennedy's head going backwards. The magic bullet.

But in 2003 there was a documentary on (I think either BBC of Discovery) that debunked the magic bullet, showing the exact seating arangement in the car, and why the bullet hit who and how. I didn't like it at first, it made it so clear. Also, Penn & Teller showing that a head (or a pumpkin in their case) would move backwards following a shot from behind, kind of proved it beyond doubt.

But I'm still not 100% sure, maybe 99.9%. Maybe because this is a nostalgic conspiracy theory. Maybe because there are still classified documents? All prove indicates Oswald killed JFK, and I can't disagree with the troof. But there will allways be a little bit of JFK CT within me.

All the best!
-Bell

PS, what's up with that flag waving in the wind on the moon?

 

[WildCat]

Actually, LonelyGirl15 killed JFK.

 

[WildCat]

But in 2003 there was a documentary on (I think either BBC of Discovery) that debunked the magic bullet, showing the exact seating arangement in the car, and why the bullet hit who and how. I didn't like it at first, it made it so clear.

I saw that show, the bullet traveled through the dummies exactly as it had through Kennedy and Connoly, and in a straight line to boot. Excellent debunking.

 

[Stellafane]

Lee Harvey Oswald killed nobody. There is a landmark book called "Harvey and Lee" by John Armstrong. You can buy this from jfk.research.com. Two people sharing the same identity. A CIA project begun when they were children, tailored to Nazi experiments with twins. It's believed that Harvey and Lee were cousins. As they grew older, the CIA played with the idea of making them spies. But it all culminated when they needed a patsy -- Harvey. Lee killed Officer Tippit.

kc440

Are you being deliberately goofy, or are you simply crazy?

 

[LashL]

edited by Jim Fetzer.

That pretty much tells you all you need to know. You do realize that the guy's a frootloop, don't you?

 

[Dog Town]

Are you being deliberately goofy, or are you simply crazy?

I'm gonna have to go with "C Words" for a 100$... Alex!
This is like the Reagan era, around here, as of late. Remeber when they let all the kookoo's out?

 

[kc440_]

Neither

Are you being deliberately goofy, or are you simply crazy?

I'm trying to inform the public that there was more than one Oswald. As best as I know, neither Oswald killed President Kennedy or wounded Gov. Connally. There were shooters on the roof of the Texas School Book Depository, on the Dal-Tex fire escapes, on the Grassy Knoll and possibly under the triple underpass. Harvey Oswald was watching the motorcade like everyone else in the TSBD. He was on the steps next to Billy Lovelady, who looked a lot like Oswald. You can see this in a photo taken by photographer Altgens. In the foreground you see President Kennedy struggling with his tie knot -- he's been shot. In the background on the left you see Billy Lovelady and someone else with his face whited out. That's Harvey Oswald. He was watching the parade.

If I'm crazy, then so is everyone on jfkresearch.com/forum

kc440