Miss Anthrope
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No one understands this hell more than I. Except in my head, there is a bald, lispy gay man on a stuffed, male horse.
"Jesus Camp" Now Available on Google Video
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No one understands this hell more than I. Except in my head, there is a bald, lispy gay man on a stuffed, male horse.
thaiboxerken
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Because christians can't be terrorists, not even after they bomb an abortion clinic.
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You're a camp counselor, admit it.
Not to derail (and I won't post more on this digression here): It's a bit higher here, but then the extremely non-religious homeschoolers buy into a lot of woo, too. What I do is expose her to everyone, encourage her to hear everyone out respectfully, and then ask "Why?" a whole lot. She's actually considered a very good influence and a preferred playmate among many fundy parents in our support and social communities...go figure. But then again, many of those fundy parents came and saw me do a gay cabaret version of Trey Parker's Cannibal the Musical and laughed a lot. Seattle is obviously not a good example for typical demographics in this area.
I know, I'm just being silly.
I think the actual percentage for fundamentalist/evangelical homeschoolers is something like 75% of the national total, but I really have no idea. I though the Jesus Camp thing put it up on screen, but they didn't source it so they might just be pulling it out of their asses.
Sounds like your daughter is going to do just fine. She'll be posting snarky comments about conspiracy theorists on the JREF board before you know it.
The other part that had me howling was at the very end, when the girl is goes up to some black people sitting in a park, "Excuse me, do you know where you're going when you die?"
Anyway, after they assure her that they're going to Heaven and (presumably) shoo her away, you see her crossing the street, "I think they were Muslims."
Too bad you couldn't take part in the piracy like the rest of us.
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Looks like it's gone...
Achán hiNidráne
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Because our sitting president is one of them.
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I can't recall anyone here suggesting they shouldn't be allowed to do it. Just that it's horrible and frightening.DOC said:
However, your argument makes no sense either way. This camp worked with indoctrination, not teaching. Teaching children about beliefs of any kind would hardly upset anyone, whereas indoctrinating them does. Surely you must be able to understand the difference.
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What's so horrible and frightening about the religion of the twice elected president. And the religion that Thomas Jefferson basically said had the greatest set of moral laws that humanity has ever known.
MTV indoctrinates, but in a sublter way. Are you against MTV, also.
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But there are public schools that teach the students how to use condoms. And from what I've heard public school students have been taught about anal sex.
I don't think Thomas Jefferson would have been as in line with the religious convictions of our current president as you might believe.
While it is widely believed that Jefferson did hold Christian moral teachings (particularly those of Jesus) in high regard, there is also substantial evidence that he did not in fact believe that Jesus was the Messiah, son of God, or anything else of the sort.
As the standard Christian position, presumably including that of President Bush, is that belief in Jesus as the Messiah is required for entrance into Heaven, that would pretty much put Jefferson at odds with the Christian fundamentalists were he alive today.
It might also be worth noting that Jefferson considered the separation of church and state to be essential to this country. Jefferson's writing (which you can see samples of at the Wiki article I just linked to), makes it unquestionably clear that he did not at all consider religion to be a function of government. In fact, it is clear that Jefferson considered the involvement of religion in the government of a country to be a great threat to the civil liberties of the populace.
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Ad populum fallacy. Just because a majority of American voters (a little over 62 million out of 300 million, about 20% of the population) agree with the lunacy of George W. Bush, doesn't mean that they're right.
You mean THIS Thomas Jefferson:
In regards to what? That we should watch a bunch of bad "reality TV" shows featuring whiny, petulant 20 somethings?
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I have a few friends who homeschool. I can think of four families I've known personally. None of them have specifically religious motives. Three cite some variation on "morality" as a reason for homeschooling, but in talking about it, none of them have ever mentioned Jesus or God specifically. All three of those families are Christian. The other family just felt that they could do a better job of educating than the public schools.
I think you would find that a lot more than 2% have secular motives for homeschooling, and as many as 50% these days might list the opportunity for religious education as one of many reasons for homeschooling. I think sex, drugs, low academic standards, and a general lack of discipline would be more common reasons for homeschooling. These days.
Homeschool: It's not just for fundies anymore.
As for "Jesus Camp", I saw it through the miracle of copyright violation. I tend to be much more supportive of religion than the average JREFer, but I must confess that watching that movie was a bit creepy. I couldn't spot anything that I think ought to be illegal, but it was creepy. On the other hand, it sure seemed like there was plenty of doubt on a lot of kids' faces. Maybe that's just wishful thinking.
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Yes, we wouldn't want them to use safe sex when they give into their hormones and break their silly "virginity pledges," would we?
Even if that was true, I rather have my children (assuming I'm ever dumb enough to have any) learn about the realities and pleasures of human sexuality than anything the theocratic thugs featured in "Jesus Camp" have to offer. Unlike this "God" character they speak of, at least I can prove anal sex exists and that it can be a better way to spend a Sunday morning that wasting it in a church.