JEROME - Black holes do not exist

I think the answer JDG needs is that the masses of the hammer and the feather are totally irrelevant. IT is the mass of the earth that dominates when you drop anything. The force of gravity is an acceleration, a constant which is applied equally to all objects until you get to large masses like the moon, then the mass of the moon becomes significant.
 
Tubbythin said:
Precisely. If it didn't then the lighter mass would fall quicker.
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The lighter mass has a weaker force pulling towards our constant.

The heavier mass has a stronger force pulling towards our constant.

What is countering the discrepancy in the gravitational force of these two objects which accounts for the same observable measurement of the experiment?
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
Thanks, but we are talking about the force of gravity, not the relationship of various objects.

I thought we were past this several pages ago. You should read the thread.
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Those are the equations for the force of gravity and the acceleration of mass by any force. They are not "relationships" (actually what are your "relationships").

PS: What is your definition of force?
 
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Olowkow said:
I think the answer JDG needs is that the masses of the hammer and the feather are totally irrelevant. IT is the mass of the earth that dominates when you drop anything. The force of gravity is an acceleration, a constant which is applied equally to all objects until you get to large masses like the moon, then the mass of the moon becomes significant.
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Were I to parse your answer it is that the force of gravity is not measurable.
 
"Force" is probably not a great word for gravity. It is an acceleration. It is like a depression in space/time. You are hung up on certain definitions, and no one seems to be able to figure out where you are going wrong.
 
Olowkow said:
I think the answer JDG needs is that the masses of the hammer and the feather are totally irrelevant. IT is the mass of the earth that dominates when you drop anything. The force of gravity is an acceleration, a constant which is applied equally to all objects until you get to large masses like the moon, then the mass of the moon becomes significant.
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Irrelevant to all but JEROME, he seems to have a confect within himself and he is taking it out on us.

Yes the hammer's and feather's gravity are irrelevant, but people like JEROME think that people like Newton etc have never thought and/or worked on it.

Years ago I remember reading that from the apple's point of view the Earth is falling to it and not the other way around.

Paul

:) :) :)
 
Olowkow said:
"Force" is probably not a great word for gravity. It is an acceleration. It is like a depression in space/time. You are hung up on certain definitions, and no one seems to be able to figure out where you are going wrong.
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It is more exact (but confusiing for Jerome's small brain) to say that gravity is a force that is caused by the curvature of space/time.

Jerome has no definition for anything, especially force.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
If this is so, than would not objects in close proximity to the Earth "fall" at different rates based upon their different mass and thus different gravitational force?
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Maybe this is parody?

The force of graviy is proportional to mass, the acceleration is proportional to mass. But the force is divided by mass.

GF=MxG , A=F/M

A=MxG/M >>>>> A=G becuase the mass cancels out.

Maybe you should ask you children to show you how to do algebra.
 
Let me try:

Force is like, well, a mass times an acceleration sort of like.

I get the impression that JDG is genuinely confused, and I thought perhaps the math was the problem.:) I'm afraid I just muddied the waters further.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
Than why would object A with a large mass "fall" to the Earth with the same acceleration as object B with a small mass?


What is the cause?
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Because the larger mass has a larger force and the smaller mass has the smaller force, you see more angels can get behind the bigger one and fewer angel can get behind the smaller on, but the mass of the larger on makes it harder for the more angels to push, the fewer angels have less mass to push so it is easier for them.
each angel has a proportional amount that is the same, one angel per gram, so a kilogarm has 1,000 angels pushing it while 1 gram has one angel pushing it. Angels power is the same for each angel so the accelaration is the same 1000g/1000angels=1g/angel or 1g/angel=1g/angel.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
A larger mass has a greater gravity force but decreased acceleration.

What force decreases the acceleration?
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force = mass x acceleration, therefore acceleration = force / mass.

A heavier body has a larger force applied to it in a given gravitational field, but also a larger mass, so the same acceleration. Isn't this elementary physics?
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
A larger mass has according to our current understanding an inherently larger force.
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Exactly. The larger force allows the hammer to accelerate at the same rate as the feather. If that larger force weren't there, it would accelerate more slowly than the feather.

Anyway, black holes exist.

Edit: A dozen people already beat me to it but I guess it is worth repeating.
 
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JEROME DA GNOME said:
I understand the equation, it is a representation of our observations.


Why does increased mass decrease the acceleration?

What force is working against the force of gravity?
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The elusive inertia, which is maintained by the Vacum Energy Dust Bunnies, they are the ones who look at the forms for the Requisition of Frivolous Mass. The larger the object the more frivolous mass must be requisitioned, despite not traveling near the speed of light. The mass of the requisition forms intereferes with the application of the force.

In other words, the elusive inertia. When you move something it disturbs the Harmony of the Virtual Particles and the Nutrinos shove back. ;)
 
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Dancing David said:
Because the larger mass has a larger force and the smaller mass has the smaller force, you see more angels can get behind the bigger one and fewer angel can get behind the smaller on, but the mass of the larger on makes it harder for the more angels to push, the fewer angels have less mass to push so it is easier for them.
each angel has a proportional amount that is the same, one angel per gram, so a kilogarm has 1,000 angels pushing it while 1 gram has one angel pushing it. Angels power is the same for each angel so the accelaration is the same 1000g/1000angels=1g/angel or 1g/angel=1g/angel.
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You may not be aware, but a larger mass can be contained in a smaller volume by comparison.

Thus a smaller mass would not, in certain circumstances, preclude a larger amount of pushing angels.

:rolleyes:
 
Terry said:
force = mass x acceleration, therefore acceleration = force / mass.

A heavier body has a larger force applied to it in a given gravitational field, but also a larger mass, so the same acceleration. Isn't this elementary physics?
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It is, but we are trying to measure the force of gravity, not the equations which explain our observations.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
You may not be aware, but a larger mass can be contained in a smaller volume by comparison.

Thus a smaller mass would not, in certain circumstances, preclude a larger amount of pushing angels.

:rolleyes:
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Ah, but in angel space the mass is always proportional to it's size.

Geesh I thought every one knew that, that is why they like to have raves on pinheads. massive pin heads.

:rolleyes:
 
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