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Jeremy Bamber

Vixen said:
Not that hoary old chestnut again.
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Is it not new evidence then?

The various news reports about the phone call have made me think, surely at the time he would have remembered making such a call and it would have been presented as evidence.

(I know very little about this case).
 
Nessie said:
Is it not new evidence then?

The various news reports about the phone call have made me think, surely at the time he would have remembered making such a call and it would have been presented as evidence.

(I know very little about this case).
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I thought the same, especially since the call was supposedly to the police.
 
I vaguely remember a documentary about the case, where a neglected phone call that supposedly was exculpatory was mentioned. I don't know if it's the same one.
 
Looking at the Torygraph article, he claims his father made a phone call to the police from the farm at 3:26, and he made a call from his house at 3.37. The police and prosecution claimed there was only the one call, by him from the farm at 3.26. The note apparently confirms the second call. Supposedly he couldn’t have travelled the 3.5 miles between the farm and his house in 11 minutes.
 
If the call was missed from the original trial and any appeal, that is, I think, a clear MOJ.
 
Whichever side of this case one is on this is good news. Forensic science has come a long way since these crimes and if JB is guilty or not guilty the tests can be applied on the science as it understood today.
 
zooterkin said:
Looking at the Torygraph article, he claims his father made a phone call to the police from the farm at 3:26, and he made a call from his house at 3.37. The police and prosecution claimed there was only the one call, by him from the farm at 3.26. The note apparently confirms the second call. Supposedly he couldn’t have travelled the 3.5 miles between the farm and his house in 11 minutes.
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Jeremy Bamber has cast iron alibis and Theresa May as home secretary ignored them. So will all politicians in England.
I read Ozzie Osbourne's autobiography where he played a concert at Wormwood Scrubs

"and there in the front row was Jeremy Bamber who slaughtered his family"

But he did not. Sheila shot June then Neville then her twins then herself.
 
Nessie said:
If the call was missed from the original trial and any appeal, that is, I think, a clear MOJ.
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It has been much discussed since. New evidence has to have the quality of having a reasonable prospect of success in overturning the original verdict as 'unsafe'. I am not sure this meets the criterion as I recall this very issue being discussed in great detail before.

It's a hand written note from the police station and whilst interesting, it doesn't prove anything in particular. What a defence lawyer tries to do is to sow a 'seed of doubt' and hope to have a guilty verdict overturned as unsafe.

I have followed this case and the evidence is overwhelming.

Re Bamber's issue with his claimed 'share of the property', the general theory is that Bamber killed his family in the hope of getting his hands on the ready wealth.

Unfortunately for him, murder or suicide can cancel out an inheritance claim if the motive for the aforesaid is 'gain by dishonest means'.
 
Samson said:
The imprisonment of Jeremy Bamber is the worst act of the British judiciary in modern times.
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:rolleyes:
I think Eddie Gilfoyle, Sally Clark, Michael O'Brien, Darren Hall, Ellis Sherwood, Siôn Jenkins, Steven Miller, Yusef Abdullahi, Tony Paris, Barry George, Barri White, Suzanne Holdsworth and Angela Cannings might disagree.

Samson said:
There is proof by Holly Goodhead and debated by Charlie Wilkes on IA. Saying you have a close interest in the case is irrelevant, it was a definitive case of murder suicide, in which the suicider misaligned the rifle for the first shot and was able to figure in time how to blow her brains out.
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Utter rubbish.
 
Samson said:
Catsmate bumped the thread from elsewhere because he claims a close interest.
I am waiting for his narrative that explains the trajectories of the bullets through the various dead people.
As I pointed out, Holly on IA has given an exhaustive account that shows it could never be Bamber with the gun, so he is innocent.
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I bumbed the thread because you insisted on dragging your obsession into other threads and derailing them. The facts of Bamber's murders have been discussed here ad infinitum and I have no interest in rehashing them.

If you have any actual evidence feel free to post it, preferably in this thread rather than derailing others.
 
catsmate said:
:rolleyes:
I think Eddie Gilfoyle, Sally Clark, Michael O'Brien, Darren Hall, Ellis Sherwood, Siôn Jenkins, Steven Miller, Yusef Abdullahi, Tony Paris, Barry George, Barri White, Suzanne Holdsworth and Angela Cannings might disagree.


Utter rubbish.
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In which way do you consider Siôn Jenkins innocent?
 
catsmate said:
I say that.
The alleged note is extraordinarily weak justification for a fresh appeal. It is no way addresses the impossibility of the faked suicide of his sister for example. Last years suggestions of an error regarding the testing of the silencer seemed much more viable to me, though still insufficient.
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You're confusing your opinion with evidence. There is evidence that it was suicide and it is not uncommon for police to blame a defendant of 'fixing' evidence that points away from them. I expect the English Courts will not be unaware of the unlikelihood that something Jeremy claimed about a phone call is evidence important to a Jury. I also expect that it unlikely that an English Court would not consider the arguable new evidence on it's own, but also in combination of forensic evidence regarding the death of Jeremy's sister, which in the modern time is probable suicide. That she just happened to have mental illness adds to the odd combination that is asserted as being proof of Jeremy's guilt. I can understand your feelings about this case, but they clearly blind you.
 
Fixit said:
You're confusing your opinion with evidence. There is evidence that it was suicide and it is not uncommon for police to blame a defendant of 'fixing' evidence that points away from them. I expect the English Courts will not be unaware of the unlikelihood that something Jeremy claimed about a phone call is evidence important to a Jury. I also expect that it unlikely that an English Court would not consider the arguable new evidence on it's own, but also in combination of forensic evidence regarding the death of Jeremy's sister, which in the modern time is probable suicide. That she just happened to have mental illness adds to the odd combination that is asserted as being proof of Jeremy's guilt. I can understand your feelings about this case, but they clearly blind you.
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Being schizophrenic does not make you a murderer. You could just as equally say Jeremy Bamber having been adopted had some kind of rogue criminal gene in his make up.
 
Vixen said:
Being schizophrenic does not make you a murderer. You could just as equally say Jeremy Bamber having been adopted had some kind of rogue criminal gene in his make up.
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"Recent twin studies show persuasive evidence that both genetic and environmental factors contribute to antisocial behaviour. However the genetic evidence indicates that there is no single gene, or even a small number of genes, that predict an increased risk of antisocial behaviour.Nov 9, 2017"

Fortunately the Court won't speculate if Jeremy achieves a new appeal. On the face of it he has strong evidence as to the probability of a 2nd call - so his account becomes more credible. There is also fresh forensic evidence, or I should say freshly understood.

When police make accusations about staged crime scenes in cases of false convictions it is to explain evidence pointing away from an accused. The falsely accused get blamed in every way possible - just like you and a rogue criminal gene you imagined.
 
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