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Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons
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arthwollipot
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I know a guy we call Badger (long story) who's a Mormon and has some pretty awesome stories about his missionary work. I'll try and remember to ask him when I next see him. Probably on the weekend.
The Greater Fool
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It is really the same as when a Mormon or Witness knocks on the door of any type of zealot (even a zealous atheist): It depends on the mood of the moment, as everyone knows there is no chance of getting anywhere, it's an opportunity to have some fun and/or hone your arguement, if you have time.
For the Morman or Witness at your door, it's far more interesting to find someone that actually has an informed opinion about what they believe than the vast majority of people who claim Christianity but haven't ever read the Bible, though the latter are easier prey if they listen or let you talk (which most don't).
For the Morman or Witness at your door, it's far more interesting to find someone that actually has an informed opinion about what they believe than the vast majority of people who claim Christianity but haven't ever read the Bible, though the latter are easier prey if they listen or let you talk (which most don't).
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LOL - I had an Aunty exactly the same. Knew the book backwards, and was very committed to her faith - three cups of coffee and 4 hours later the JWs called it quits and ran for the hills.
My atheist Father (who also believed that we were conceived by aliens and was a big fan of Van Daniken, meh, we can't all be perfect) relished inviting the Mormon missionaries in to watch him watch wrestling on TV on Saturday mornings and argue over biblical fallacies. Once in a while I'd sit in the den (if the boys were cute) and watch as he ripped into whichever 2 young men had unknowingly stumbled into their doom. He was a firm believer in being prepared and could recite biblical passages from memory before tearing them down, it was great fun to see the eager scrubbed faces of the missionaries crumple as he ranted. It eventually came to light that a friend of his who was an Elder in the church was sending these young novices to see him, but they'd been showing up for years before my Father discovered that he was being used as an educational device!
wendyinthewind
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lol! He should be flattered!
RandFan
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A better question is, what do they do when an atheist comes knocking?
John Safran: Door To Door Atheists Bother Mormons
ETA: I think the video will answer your question. It shows realy Mormons dealing with someone knocking on their doors propigating an idea.
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TimCallahan
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I worked with a few Mormons many years ago. One of them was telling how he was sent on his mission to the French Riviera. I asked him if the French Catholics gave him much grief. He said, no but that he was hassled by Jehoveh's Witnesses. So I got this picture of this earnest young man in his white shirt, black pants and skinny black tie trying to convert the topless sunbathers on the beach at the Riviera to Mormonism, all the while being followed and harassed by a mob of JW's.
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I have always been on the JW blacklist, one visit was enough, then a couple ofyears ago they opened a new JW temple in my area and were all enthusiastic about converting the heretics again. I am also now on their blacklist.
aparently questioning them on what propulsion system Jehovas rocket chair has causes them a small crisis
from the watchtower
last year a JW moved into my housing block and distributed books about their religion, I sent it back with corrections in red marker pen, really I am of the opinion that as I do not go door to door trying to convince people to be as sexually depraved as I am then people shouldn't come to my door to discuss their kinks either. YKIOKIJNMK
aparently questioning them on what propulsion system Jehovas rocket chair has causes them a small crisis
from the watchtower
last year a JW moved into my housing block and distributed books about their religion, I sent it back with corrections in red marker pen, really I am of the opinion that as I do not go door to door trying to convince people to be as sexually depraved as I am then people shouldn't come to my door to discuss their kinks either. YKIOKIJNMK
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arthwollipot
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Thanks for bumping this, whoever it was. I asked Badger what happened, and unfortunately the answer was "not much". Oh well.
The Nimble Pianist
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It all depends on devotion.
My parents would do what most normal people do when JWs come knocking: "Sorry We're not interested <<SLAM>>".
Though there was one night I remember when I was 15. I was eager to go out with my friends, however I had to spend an hour or two with my family at home since we were having the missionaries over for dinner (Mormon houses take turns feeding them). With just my luck, some JWs decide to come to the door just as the missionaries do. My father, being a Stake President at the time and so compelled to look good in front of the missionaries broke his routine and actually invited the JWs inside! 3 hours went by, dinner was still yet to be had, and my friends went off without me.
Oh and the missionaries had gotten in trouble with their mission president, but I can't remember why.
As you can tell, it spells disaster for everyone when representatives from both zealous sects are in the same place at the same time.
My parents would do what most normal people do when JWs come knocking: "Sorry We're not interested <<SLAM>>".
Though there was one night I remember when I was 15. I was eager to go out with my friends, however I had to spend an hour or two with my family at home since we were having the missionaries over for dinner (Mormon houses take turns feeding them). With just my luck, some JWs decide to come to the door just as the missionaries do. My father, being a Stake President at the time and so compelled to look good in front of the missionaries broke his routine and actually invited the JWs inside! 3 hours went by, dinner was still yet to be had, and my friends went off without me.
Oh and the missionaries had gotten in trouble with their mission president, but I can't remember why.
As you can tell, it spells disaster for everyone when representatives from both zealous sects are in the same place at the same time.
The Greater Fool
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Based on JW theology, your premise that the Word created everything, is wrong. JW translation of John 1:1 is slightly different, and elsewhere JC is refered to as the first/best of creation (that, also, could be a slightly different translation than usual). The Word is JC and was created by Jehovah God. JW's don't have a triune god. Jehovah, THE God, is the father of all creation, including JC. JC is God's son, thus has a beginning. God, of course, is infinite.
In point of fact, your "stumper" helped them out, because they want to explain to you the difference between God and Jesus, and each of their roles in the good news of the kingdom.
If you do ask a real stumper, they'll promise to get an answer back to you, then they'll bring a "big gun"... and no matter how that meeting goes, they'll be patting themselves on the back on how well they answered your questions.
My (ex)JW perspective of Mormons is that it is pretty much the same deal with them.
ETA: The most consistent "win" you will get is not engaging them to begin with, and not wishing you could have that time back
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The Nimble Pianist
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Based on JW theology, your premise that the Word created everything, is wrong. JW translation of John 1:1 is slightly different, and elsewhere JC is refered to as the first/best of creation (that, also, could be a slightly different translation than usual). The Word is JC and was created by Jehovah God. JW's don't have a triune god. Jehovah, THE God, is the father of all creation, including JC. JC is God's son, thus has a beginning. God, of course, is infinite.
In point of fact, your "stumper" helped them out, because they want to explain to you the difference between God and Jesus, and each of their roles in the good news of the kingdom.
If you do ask a real stumper, they'll promise to get an answer back to you, then they'll bring a "big gun"... and no matter how that meeting goes, they'll be patting themselves on the back on how well they answered your questions.
My (ex)JW perspective of Mormons is that it is pretty much the same deal with them.
ETA: The most consistent "win" you will get is not engaging them to begin with, and not wishing you could have that time back
Yes and no.
Yes, the LDS are non-trinitarian like the JWs and they believe that Jesus Christ is a creation of "Heavenly Father". Jesus Christ is responsible for having created the earth.
The differences lie in:
- Contrary to JW theology, Jesus is Jehovah. "Heavenly Father" is Elohim.
- the Archangel Michael (who is said to be the pre-mortal Adam) accompanied Jesus (Jehovah) to build the earth.
- Jesus didn't create the earth (as in create the raw materials) rather he "organized the preexisting matter" into what we see today.