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Merged Jeffrey MacDonald did it. He really did.

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I glance at this thread off and on just out of curiosity. I always thought MacDonald was guilty, and a minor point that first had me leaning in that direction was his description of the "hippies" who supposedly had committed the murders.

It was so lame. This was how someone who had no idea of what hippies were like would fantasize about an imaginary scenario. Reminded me of an aging Bob Hope trying to riff on contemporary situations in skits in the 60s where he and other antediluvian comics would don fakety fake "Beatle wigs" and pretend to be hip.
 
carrps said:
I glance at this thread off and on just out of curiosity. I always thought MacDonald was guilty, and a minor point that first had me leaning in that direction was his description of the "hippies" who supposedly had committed the murders.

It was so lame. This was how someone who had no idea of what hippies were like would fantasize about an imaginary scenario.
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I don't think the descriptions were lame in themselves (MacDonald's complete story certainly was). Remember this was soon after the Manson murders, and he could have been describing some of that gang.
 
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CARRPS: One of the issues that has been completely ignored by inmate's advocates involves MacDonald's inspiration for the mythical hippie home invaders.

Law enforcement officers arrested Kenneth Barnett, Annette Cullity, Gary Burnett, and Joseph Lee in Suffolk County, New York on May 9, 1970. The Suffolk County police subsequently contacted the CID due to the fact that these four individuals matched the physical descriptions of the intruder suspects in the MacDonald murders.

CID agent Bennie Hawkins subsequently traveled to Suffolk County to discuss the case with police officials. Hawkins discovered that these four individuals had rented a house in Fire Island with Jeffrey MacDonald's brother, Jay, in the summer of 1969. Jeffrey MacDonald had visited his brother during that summer and was seen conversing with people who matched the descriptions of the New York Four at the Shortstop Bar in Long Island.

Joseph Lee was an African-American male, Gary Burnett and Kenneth Barnett were Caucasian males, and Annette Cullity was a Caucasian female. Lee was seen wearing an army field jacket and Cullity was known to wear a floppy hat and hip boots. The number of intruders, their racial make-up, and their clothing items all matched the descriptions provided by Jeffrey MacDonald. Hawkins obtained fingerprint exemplars of the New York Four and their prints did not match any of the prints found at 544 Castle Drive.

In December of 1970, Jeffrey MacDonald and his lawyer, Judge Rogers (William Rogers), went to the Suffolk County Police Department to read the May 9, 1970 arrest report. This trip occurred several months after the completion of the Article 32 hearings. Despite the New York Four matching the descriptions of the four intruders, MacDonald never publicly commented on this visit to the Suffolk County Police Department.

www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
 
Henri McPhee said:
It's all trust me I'm in the FBI. It's Egyptian or Iranian justice.
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First you need to prove that you actually know something about the administration of justice, as opposed to your fact-free opinions on the subject.

If that near miracle level event ever occurs (and in all probability that's about as likely as your man crush being released from prison to take over the leadership position in the National Organization of Women) I'll make a concerted effort to weigh your arguments w/o bias.
 
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In December of 1970, Jeffrey MacDonald and his lawyer, Judge Rogers (William Rogers), went to the Suffolk County Police Department to read the May 9, 1970 arrest report. This trip occurred several months after the completion of the Article 32 hearings. Despite the New York Four matching the descriptions of the four intruders, MacDonald never publicly commented on this visit to the Suffolk County Police Department.

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The background to all that is that there was an unfortunate incident when Dr. MacDonald went to New York a few months before the murders to try to help out his drug addict brother Jay who was having problems. During the course of that MacDonald punched Jay's drug dealer in the face in a bar. The silly thing is that drug dealer has never been identified. Surely Jay must know his name? That drug dealer could be in the Mafia and may have known Mazerolle and Rizzo. Mazerolle was born in New York.

The thing is it has been said that anybody who punches somebody in face and who is in the Mafia is severely punished. The Army CID and CIA and Stoeckley group, if not the FBI, were mixed up with the Mafia at the time with drug smuggling from Vietnam and other countries. These 4th Circuit judges and Supreme Court Justices should no be so absurdly credulous about all this and try to get in touch with all classes, and even fight corruption. What can you do about it?

http://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/1970-07-24-a32-hawkins.html
 
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This is Jeff MacDonald's side of the story about his brother Jay from the Grand jury in 1975. The trouble is MacDonald is not a professional criminal investigator and he probably does no have much knowledge of the law on common assault, or the activities of the Mafia. He was a bit naïve about all that:

http://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/1974-08-13-gj-jmac.html

A Okay. The implication that was gotten through a lot of other testimony that was really third-hand and fourth-hand hearsay. It was unbelievable. My brother knew a group that corresponded roughly to this group of intruders that I had seen in my house on 17 February.
Q You went to this bar?
A Yes.
Q You saw people in the bar?
A Right.
Q Now, tell us about them.
A I spoke to a couple of individuals, Caucasian males. At that point, I had absolutely no reference to this other group until a CID agent, Bennie Hawkins, walks into the Article 32 with this wild bizarre story about another group of four people, including a black male and a blonde female. But at the Shortstop Bar I was unaware of this other group..........

I had an argument in the Shortstop Bar with a couple of guys who said they knew Jay. And I had been told that the bartender was one of the guys supplying Jay with speed. So I guess I got a little pushy with them and there was a little scuffle thereon and I hit the guy or something like that. And I honestly don't -- He was a Caucasian male, brown hair. I'd say probably about six feet tall.
Q All right, you are referring to the bartender?
A I don't know if he was a bartender or not. He was sitting at the end of the bar. There was another bartender. But I was told he was a bartender. I don't know if he was a bartender at the Short -- you know. I come flying in from Puerto Rico and find my brother in a mental institution. Get him out. And I am really mad. And I went to New York City and spent about an hour talking to some people. "Where's Jay?" "Oh, he's out on the island." "I heard he had some trouble," type thing. So I got into sort of a shooting contest with this dope.
Q You say shooting contest. You were shooting off your mouth and he was shooting off your (sic) mouth.
A Yeah, I asked him --
Q There was a little pushing and shoving?
A I went up to him and I said, "Do you know Jay MacDonald?" "Yeah, I know Jay." I said, "Do you know he is in the state hospital," words to that effect. And the guy said, "Well, no, I didn't know that." I said, "Yeah, he had a bad reaction to some pills someone gave him." And he said, "Oh," or something. And I said, "Yeah." And I probably told him he was an *******. And I heard that he had given him the pills. And he said he didn't. You know, who the hell did I think I was sitting in a public bar accusing him of that. So the words got a little heated and I pushed him and he pushed me and I hit him.
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Gotcha

During the Article 32 hearing, the CID knew that their discovery of inmate's visit to see his brother in Fire Island had the potential to be a "gotcha" moment. Bernie Segal was so taken aback by this information that he fell over himself trying to innocently explain away this scenario. The following is an excerpt from the Article 32 hearing and includes Army attorney Clifford Somers, CID agent Bennie Hawkins, and Segal.

Somers: Can you describe this group?

Hawkins: Yes, sir, it was a group of four. There were three males and one female in the group. The one male, Negro, approximately 5-9 in height, 170 pounds in weight, black hair, brown eyes. There were two Caucasian males, one of them approximately 5-10 in height with dark brown hair, hazel eyes, of about medium build. The other Caucasian male was approximately 5-6 in height, blond hair, and blue eyes. The female approximately 5-5 to 5-6 in height, 110 pounds in weight. She had blond hair and blue eyes.

Somers: Did you obtain any information about the wearing apparel of these people?

Hawkins: Yes, sir, I did.

Somers: What was that?

Hawkins: They all dressed with the hippie type clothing. They — the colored male was seen wearing an army field jacket or fatigue shirt. The female was known to wear a floppy hat and hip boots.

Somers: Did this group you are speaking about have any connection or association with Captain MacDonald or his family?

Hawkins: They associated with Captain MacDonald's brother.

Segal: That's objected to and move to strike. There's no evidence that Captain MacDonald's brother is involved in this case in any fashion whatsoever. In fact, there's no evidence that he even has a brother, sir.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/html/guilt.html
 
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And the best part about post #3486 is that Henri's man crush himself admits to starting a fight with little or no provocation, based upon his perception of the situation.....Mac approached the man, Mac started getting obnoxious to him, Mac pushed first, and Mac threw the first punch.
 
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Throwing Darts

When exactly did Beasley "get it right?" Was it in 70's, when Beasley ignored the Mazzerolle case file, was told to retire from the police force after causing a disturbance in a busy intersection, and/or when he assisted Ted Gunderson in stalking/manipulating Stoeckley into "confessing?" Was it in the 90's, when Beasley publicly stated his opinion that the Stoeckley Group were NOT viable suspects and/or wrote Freddy Kassab to offer his support?

The huge disparity between the 70's Beasley and the 90's Beasley begs the question...

Was Beasley being honest in one decade and dishonest in another decade or did his inorganic brain disorder make Beasley's musings irrelevant?

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
 
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The MacDonald case was biased. It was a gross miscarriage of justice and a criticism of the judicial lawyers in America. There is a bit of background to Detective Beasley's involvement in the case at:

http://www.crimearchives.net/1979_macdonald/affidavits/1984-07-12_EDNC_cid_aff_mahon.html

10. On February 28, 1971, Beasley interviewed Stoeckley at the Holiday Inn between 2:00 and 6:00 p.m., and took her to dinner between 8:15 and 11:15 p.m. According to Beasley, Stoeckley still would not cooperate with us because she thinks that she probably was involved in the MacDonald murders as a witness of some kind. She doesn't know if she is or not and she thinks she has a mental block about her activities on the night of February 16-17, 1970, because she saw something terrible that night. The blue Mustang she drove off in on the night of February 16-17, 1970, Beasley related, belonged to Bruce Fowler, a soldier who lived at the Clark Street residence.
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Beasley was an honest and astute detective and the case would have been solved if he had been in charge.
 
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More from that Mahon of the Army CID affidavit:

On April 7, 1971, I interviewed Lieutenant Colonel (Ret.) Clarence Stoeckley, and Mrs. Helena Werele Stoeckley, at their residence at 315 Valley Road, Fayetteville, concerning their daughter Helena Werele Stoeckley. The Stoeckleys were aware of my recent trip to Nashville, with Prince Beasley. They expressed to me their concern that the police had placed Helena's life in jeopardy when they used her as a narcotics informant. Mrs. Stoeckley recalled that one man whom Helena had informed on, Allen P. Mazerolle, had said that he would kill Helena and Beasley when he got out of prison.
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Breaking News

I have some breaking news for the landlord. The MacDonald Case HAS been solved. According to several sources, a Grand Jury voted to indict Jeffrey MacDonald and a trial jury voted to convict MacDonald of three counts of murder in less than 7 hours. Less than 7 hours? I guess this case was open and shut.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
 
Part of the trouble is that the Supreme Court judges have no practical knowledge of being a criminal defense lawyer. That leads to an unconscious bias if not a corrupt bias like Judge Dupree and Judge Fox.
 
Henri McPhee said:
Part of the trouble is that the Supreme Court judges have no practical knowledge of being a criminal defense lawyer. That leads to an unconscious bias if not a corrupt bias like Judge Dupree and Judge Fox.
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Ignoring the fact that every current USSC Justice has a broad range of both legal practice and judicial experience, you also have an unconscious and possibly corrupt bias, as you have demonstrated no practical knowledge of being a criminal defence lawyer, etc.
 
henri does not appear to have any practical knowledge, experience, or expertise in ANYTHING.
 
Henri McPhee said:
Part of the trouble is that the Supreme Court judges have no practical knowledge of being a criminal defense lawyer. That leads to an unconscious bias if not a corrupt bias like Judge Dupree and Judge Fox.
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You might be in a position as the mayor to insist that the SC for the Isola di non fatti be comprised of former criminal defense attorneys, but the United States has no such requirement.
 
At Every Level

The simple fact of the matter is that inmate has gotten his butt kicked at every level. The CID investigated this case not once, but twice, and both investigations concluded that inmate was the lone perp. The FBI has investigated him on several occasions and their conclusions mirror those drawn by the CID.

Not one, but two District Court judges, have concluded that inmate did not meet the burden to receive a new trial. The 4th Circuit Court has also ruled that inmate did not meet that burden and added that his evidentiary arguments were "specious." Finally, the U.S. Supreme Court has twice overturned the 4th Circuit's ruling that inmate's right to a speedy trial was violated.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
 
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