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Merged Jeffrey MacDonald did it. He really did.

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The point is that the MacDonald case court cases were never an excellent court, apart perhaps from the Article 32 proceedings, and neither were the 4th Circuit judges, or most of the Supreme Court judges. It was a legal Woolworths.

There is a bit about this sort of thing in that English Justice book by a solicitor and police court advocate published in 1932:

Quarter Sessions has never held a high reputation as a court of justice. In the counties its usefulness or otherwise at the present time depends entirely upon its Chairman. Where Quarter Sessions, as in Warwickshire, is presided over by an eminent barrister, of strong personality, such as Mr R. A. Willes, it forms an excellent court. There are , however, other courts where amateur lawyers, inadequately controlled by their clerks, deal out justice of a very inferior type.
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You do realize that a 50 year-old quote about a different court, in a different country has equal relevance to the issue of whether the guilty bastard received a fair trial then the colour of my underwear today?
 
Border Reiver said:
You do realize that a 50 year-old quote about a different court, in a different country has equal relevance to the issue of whether the guilty bastard received a fair trial then the colour of my underwear today?
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Their man crush wears shining armor and rides a unicorn.
 
You Can't Expect Me To Read All Of That

The confidence in my wager stems from the landlord's 15 year claim that the CID didn't "properly investigate" this case. If he had the guts to sit down and read that massive report, he would or should be embarrassed by making such a claim.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
 
Most of the judges in the MacDonald case were very bad judges. It's scandalous and very unfair on the innocent Jeff Macdonald. That CID reinvestigation, which JTF keeps harping on about, was fabricated and manufactured evidence by people who were not real experts. I can't quite see why the North Carolina Bureau of Investigation were taken off of the case. They were on to Dwight Smith and Pat Reese the day after the MacDonald murders, even if Detective Beasley had to be discredited.
 
Verification

HENRIBOY: Thanks for allowing me to collect on my wager. Your admission that you've basically ignored the massive CID reinvestigation report forever paints you as a cognitively lazy true crime troll.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
 
Henri McPhee said:
Most of the judges in the MacDonald case were very bad judges. It's scandalous and very unfair on the innocent Jeff Macdonald. That CID reinvestigation, which JTF keeps harping on about, was fabricated and manufactured evidence by people who were not real experts. I can't quite see why the North Carolina Bureau of Investigation were taken off of the case. They were on to Dwight Smith and Pat Reese the day after the MacDonald murders, even if Detective Beasley had to be discredited.
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Weak sauce.

You were more passionate 5 years ago. The below song seems appropriate:

 
Henri McPhee said:
Most of the judges in the MacDonald case were very bad judges. It's scandalous and very unfair on the innocent Jeff Macdonald. That CID reinvestigation, which JTF keeps harping on about, was fabricated and manufactured evidence by people who were not real experts. I can't quite see why the North Carolina Bureau of Investigation were taken off of the case. They were on to Dwight Smith and Pat Reese the day after the MacDonald murders, even if Detective Beasley had to be discredited.
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first highlight: That has to be the journalist G. Jeffrey Macdonald, because the oxygen in the title of this thread is as guilty as they come.

second highlight: Jurisdiction is the reason. Jurisdiction means that (in this specific case) the crime occurred on FEDERAL property and NCBI investigated crimes that occurred on STATE property.

Observation: this is what happens when the law reference book you use is for another country & 85 years old, you don't understand......:rolleyes:
 
Curious

I would like to pose the following questions to 99 percent of the posters on this thread.

Did Jeffrey MacDonald call the Kane residence between 3:20 and 3:30 AM on 2/17/70?

If so, what was inmate's motivation in doing so?

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
 
There were rumors that Jeff MacDonald had an affair with Mrs. Kane, who was Colonel Kane's wife. MacDonald denied he made a phone call to her in the middle of the night, and there is no real proof that he did. There is also no evidence that her phone number was on the murder club weapon, which was discussed at the grand jury in 1975. The prosecutor could not find the phone number on the wooden club then. It was farcical. I reckon it was somebody like Greg Mitchell, or Mazerolle, or Pat Reese who made the phone call in order to implicate MacDonald. This is what Bunny has written about the matter in the past:

Mrs. Kane executed a written statement wherein she discussed certain details of a telephone call she received at her residence at about 3:20-3:30 a.m. on February 17. She said the caller was a male but she could not identify his voice or recall his conversation due to her sleepy state.

Mrs. Kane's telephone number was found written on the wooden club used in the murders.
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This matter was briefly mentioned at the Grand Jury in about 1975:

http://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/gj-1974-08-16-macdonald.html

Q Now, I am told that somewhere on this piece of wood, there was a telephone number written, and I have been looking at it to see if I could make out the telephone number.
A Well, the CID probably destroyed it, sir.
Q And I don't find it. But -- did you ever discuss the telephone number being on this club with anyone?
A No, sir.
Q During the course of the investigation?
A Never.
Q Okay.

MR. WOERHEIDE: Miss Reporter, this is the wrapper that that club came in and I am going to put it back in here. Would you mark that as MacDonald Exhibit number 9 of this date?

(MacDONALD EXHIBIT 9, DATED 8-16-1974, MARKED FOR IDENTIFICATION.)

MR. WOERHEIDE: Can you mark this?

Q (Mr. Woerheide) All right, I'm going to ask you about a telephone number, 842-5226. Does it mean anything to you, Dr. MacDonald?
A No, sir.

MR. WOERHEIDE: Miss Reporter, would you mark this as MacDonald Exhibit number 10 of this date?

(MacDONALD EXHIBIT 10, DATED 8-16-1974, MARKED FOR IDENTIFICATION.)
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JTF - I think it is probable that inmate called the Kane residence that early morning. I don't think he said anything but hung up when he had a fleeting rational thought moment of "what the hell am I doing, what can I possibly say?". I believe he realized that the apartment would clearly show that he and Colette had fought and that he had destroyed his family and he wandered into the living room, sat down on the couch, and was crying in frustration and fear due to what he had just done. (remember a neighbor heard crying) and then he spotted the magazine with the Manson article and he set about staging the scene.....my 2 cents worth :)
 
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BYN: Thanks for the response. Your theory that inmate hung up the phone would explain Mrs. Kane's claim that she had no memory of the content of the phone call. IMO, there are too many finite details of this scenario that go beyond mere coincidence. The timing of the phone call, the fact that the caller was male, and the Kane's phone number being written on the murder club in pencil make a strong case for inmate calling the Kane residence shortly after committing these brutal murders.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
 
JTF said:
BYN: Thanks for the response. Your theory that inmate hung up the phone would explain Mrs. Kane's claim that she had no memory of the content of the phone call. IMO, there are too many finite details of this scenario that go beyond mere coincidence. The timing of the phone call, the fact that the caller was male, and the Kane's phone number being written on the murder club in pencil make a strong case for inmate calling the Kane residence shortly after committing these brutal murders.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
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I have always believed it was probable that he indeed called Mrs. Kane. I believe he was having an affair with her, I believe he at first thought to ask for help, and then he re-thought the situation. I believe the crying was an hysterical reaction to what he had done and his need to "be in charge" and then he saw the Manson article magazine and his EGO said "you can outfox everyone blame it on hippy intruders and you are golden". Thankfully he ain't as smart as he believed himself to be.....he has been shown to be the cowardly smarmy b@$t@rd that savagely and brutally butchered his family.
 
That's just opinions. A witness in court must speak only as to facts, not some very emotional strange belief. This is what JTF has said about the Mrs. Kane phone call on his website. It is certainly not conclusive evidence to put a man into prison for the rest of his life. The police should be more careful about arresting and charging people, instead of shooting them dead, or allowing sick people to die in police custody:

The Phone Call

The CID Reinvestigation revealed the following:

Mrs. Joan T. Kane, wife of the former commanding officer of Jeffrey MacDonald, executed a written statement wherein she discussed certain details of a telephone call she received at her residence on February 17, 1970. Mrs. Kane states that the call was between 3:20 and 3:30 in the morning. She said the caller was a male, but she could not identify his voice or recall the conversation due to her sleepy state.

Mrs. Kane stated that she only met Jeffrey MacDonald on one or two occasions and, in her opinion, his lawyers used legal trickery and deception in defending him.

The significance of this call lay in the fact that Mrs. Kane's phone number was written in pencil on the murder club and that CID investigators were convinced that MacDonald had a sexual relationship with the wife of another of his commanding officers. This led to speculation that MacDonald may have had a sexual relationship with Mrs. Kane.

At the Grand Jury hearings, Victor Woerheide confronted MacDonald with the fact that the Kane's phone number was written on the club in pencil. He then asked MacDonald whether he called the Kane residence on the morning of February 17th. MacDonald denied contacting Mrs. Kane, nor was he aware that the Kane's phone number was written on the club. CID investigators did not believe that this was simply some sort of bizarre coincidence, but they did not have enough corroborative data to prove that the male caller was Jeffrey MacDonald.
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